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The definition you are using is far too broad, so you get a barnum effect where every authoritarian political movement could be shoehorned as "fascist". Ask rea

The definition you are using is far too broad, so you get a barnum effect where every authoritarian political movement could be shoehorned as "fascist". Ask real fascists what they think of Kash Patel.

adastra22 4mo ago
Benito Mussolini, who first used the term fasci in its modern meaning to describe his party and movement, was not a racist. A cultural nationalist, yes, but he thought the nazi biological race ideology was bullshit and openly said so. The racial discrimination laws were only enacted after he went to Munich, hat-in-hand. Yeah, anyone who openly calls themselves a fascist are probably white supremacist nazis, and I presume would take a dim view of Kash Patel for that reason alone. But genetics-driven racism (as opposed to cultural nationalism) was never a core tenant of fascism. Fascism requires an us-vs-them othering world view, but it doesn't have to be race-based.
- Saline9515 4mo ago
  Us-vs-them worldview is I think a very common thing in the world. Was the Soviet Union fascist? Is India fascist due to its extreme antagonization of Pakistan (and vis-versa). What you say about Mussolini is false by the way and Italy enforced strict racial discrimination in Ethiopia. Political racism was commonplace everywhere at the time and is not very specific to Fascism. Unless 1930´s USA was a fascist country, which I doubt.
  - NuclearPM 4mo ago
    https://www.rachelmaddow.com/prequel-by-rachel-maddow/ https://www.rachelmaddow.com/prequel-by-rachel-maddow/ Rachel Maddow’s ULTRA and PREQUEL podcast series may change your mind on that last claim.
    - Saline9515 4mo ago
      The existence of a fascist movement in the country doesn't make it fascist. France had a similar movement at the same time and wasn't fascist, for example.
      - NuclearPM 4mo ago
        It was a few years later. Let’s not talk about fascism until we’re already fucked? Is that your strategy?

adastra22 4mo ago

Benito Mussolini, who first used the term fasci in its modern meaning to describe his party and movement, was not a racist. A cultural nationalist, yes, but he thought the nazi biological race ideology was bullshit and openly said so. The racial discrimination laws were only enacted after he went to Munich, hat-in-hand. Yeah, anyone who openly calls themselves a fascist are probably white supremacist nazis, and I presume would take a dim view of Kash Patel for that reason alone. But genetics-driven racism (as opposed to cultural nationalism) was never a core tenant of fascism. Fascism requires an us-vs-them othering world view, but it doesn't have to be race-based.

Saline9515 4mo ago
Us-vs-them worldview is I think a very common thing in the world. Was the Soviet Union fascist? Is India fascist due to its extreme antagonization of Pakistan (and vis-versa). What you say about Mussolini is false by the way and Italy enforced strict racial discrimination in Ethiopia. Political racism was commonplace everywhere at the time and is not very specific to Fascism. Unless 1930´s USA was a fascist country, which I doubt.
- NuclearPM 4mo ago
  https://www.rachelmaddow.com/prequel-by-rachel-maddow/ https://www.rachelmaddow.com/prequel-by-rachel-maddow/ Rachel Maddow’s ULTRA and PREQUEL podcast series may change your mind on that last claim.
  - Saline9515 4mo ago
    The existence of a fascist movement in the country doesn't make it fascist. France had a similar movement at the same time and wasn't fascist, for example.
    - NuclearPM 4mo ago
      It was a few years later. Let’s not talk about fascism until we’re already fucked? Is that your strategy?