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The US is slowly becoming more like China. From talks of nationalizing companies to make US state owned entities to banning foreign competition. It's just so st

by ddxv 4mo ago

The US is slowly becoming more like China. From talks of nationalizing companies to make US state owned entities to banning foreign competition. It's just so strange how you become the thing you fear.

andrekandre 4mo ago
> It's just so strange how you become the thing you fear. how does the saying go? "when you obsess over your enemy, you become your enemy"?
- cnity 4mo ago
  It's a slow motion motorcycle crash[0]. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_fixation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_fixation
ranyume 4mo ago
The CCP would never dream of giving the state's control to tech CEOs.
- inigyou 4mo ago
  You just need to think outside the box: the CCP is big tech, not Congress. The CCP (big tech in the analogy) would never dream of giving control to congress.
  - throwaway27448 4mo ago
    This is why they can run their society with such competency, though. All we got are the stupidest billionaires the world can imagine and their servile lapdogs in congress
tyrust 4mo ago
> talks of nationalizing companies What is this referring to?
- cisrockandroll 4mo ago
  https://apnews.com/article/bernie-sanders-ai-public-ownership-57b9f20d96490083e2749adba0f13977 https://apnews.com/article/bernie-sanders-ai-public-ownershi...
  - tyrust 4mo ago
    Nice, doubt anything will come of this though.
  - sinuhe69 4mo ago
    Not just Sander, Trump expressed his wish to exchange concessions and privileges for share in AI labs, too. Which is IMO even more problematic.
- ddxv 4mo ago
  I was referring to the US government buying a 10% stake in Intel and the ideas being floated of further investment in Intel and other companies by the Trump admin.
deaux 4mo ago
> The US is slowly becoming more like China. Hah, if only. Then at least it would see some of the benefits too. Instead, it's making sure to only copy all of the downsides, with zero of the upsides.
- phendrenad2 4mo ago
  This is the kind of flippant remark that does the gravity of the situation a disservice. Nobody burns witches out of the blue one day, they do it because they figured out that burning witches makes everyone afraid to do anything that could be remotely construed as witchcraft, and they all start being good little church attendees. So I hate to break it to you but you're not fighting powers-that-be who are just bumbling around and decided to randomly be like China one day. You're fighting powers-that-be who did the analysis and decided that being like China was the right way to go, for the good of everyone, and they backed it up with math and logic. You're going to need math and logic to convince them otherwise.
  - deaux 4mo ago
    > You're fighting powers-that-be who did the analysis and decided that being like China was the right way to go Not at all. If they decided to be like China, then that would include the benefits. They're nothing like China. Xi isn't siphoning hundreds of billions to his personal account through $XI coin. He isn't giving the reigns of the country to his tech CEO buddies. He isn't destroying scientific institutions and looting the country for personal gain. I hate to break it to you but this is the kind of surfacelevel comparison that doesn't hold up when considered for more than 2 seconds.
    - phendrenad2 4mo ago
      I agree actually, we're trending towards China in some ways and not in others. I was just pointing out that the ways we're trending towards China are driven by people who did a bit more analysis than OP is giving them credit for. Since your real disagreement is with OP, I'll bow out of this one.
  - 4mo ago
throwburn202605 4mo ago
In some ways its hard to differentiate between big tech and the national security complex, where execs are being sworn into the military https://www.army.mil/article/286317/army_launches_detachment_201_executive_innovation_corps_to_drive_tech_transformation https://www.army.mil/article/286317/army_launches_detachment...
Tangurena2 4mo ago
I think America is becoming more like Russia, with a dictator who eliminates any billionaire who disagrees with His Dictatorship. The American groups who want to go back to the "glory years" of the 1950s are equivalent to the Russian groups who want to go back to the "glory years" of the Soviet Union.
- MisterTea 4mo ago
  This is exactly where we are headed: a has-been that sold itself down a river to a bunch of kleptocrats who only are about themselves and their sycophants.
throwaway27448 4mo ago
I wish we were becoming like china; it feels a lot more like big brother from 1984.

by ddxv 4mo ago

andrekandre 4mo ago

> It's just so strange how you become the thing you fear. how does the saying go? "when you obsess over your enemy, you become your enemy"?

cnity 4mo ago
It's a slow motion motorcycle crash[0]. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_fixation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_fixation

ranyume 4mo ago

The CCP would never dream of giving the state's control to tech CEOs.

inigyou 4mo ago
You just need to think outside the box: the CCP is big tech, not Congress. The CCP (big tech in the analogy) would never dream of giving control to congress.
- throwaway27448 4mo ago
  This is why they can run their society with such competency, though. All we got are the stupidest billionaires the world can imagine and their servile lapdogs in congress

tyrust 4mo ago

> talks of nationalizing companies What is this referring to?

cisrockandroll 4mo ago
https://apnews.com/article/bernie-sanders-ai-public-ownership-57b9f20d96490083e2749adba0f13977 https://apnews.com/article/bernie-sanders-ai-public-ownershi...
- tyrust 4mo ago
  Nice, doubt anything will come of this though.
- sinuhe69 4mo ago
  Not just Sander, Trump expressed his wish to exchange concessions and privileges for share in AI labs, too. Which is IMO even more problematic.
ddxv 4mo ago
I was referring to the US government buying a 10% stake in Intel and the ideas being floated of further investment in Intel and other companies by the Trump admin.

deaux 4mo ago

> The US is slowly becoming more like China. Hah, if only. Then at least it would see some of the benefits too. Instead, it's making sure to only copy all of the downsides, with zero of the upsides.

phendrenad2 4mo ago
This is the kind of flippant remark that does the gravity of the situation a disservice. Nobody burns witches out of the blue one day, they do it because they figured out that burning witches makes everyone afraid to do anything that could be remotely construed as witchcraft, and they all start being good little church attendees. So I hate to break it to you but you're not fighting powers-that-be who are just bumbling around and decided to randomly be like China one day. You're fighting powers-that-be who did the analysis and decided that being like China was the right way to go, for the good of everyone, and they backed it up with math and logic. You're going to need math and logic to convince them otherwise.
- deaux 4mo ago
  > You're fighting powers-that-be who did the analysis and decided that being like China was the right way to go Not at all. If they decided to be like China, then that would include the benefits. They're nothing like China. Xi isn't siphoning hundreds of billions to his personal account through $XI coin. He isn't giving the reigns of the country to his tech CEO buddies. He isn't destroying scientific institutions and looting the country for personal gain. I hate to break it to you but this is the kind of surfacelevel comparison that doesn't hold up when considered for more than 2 seconds.
  - phendrenad2 4mo ago
    I agree actually, we're trending towards China in some ways and not in others. I was just pointing out that the ways we're trending towards China are driven by people who did a bit more analysis than OP is giving them credit for. Since your real disagreement is with OP, I'll bow out of this one.
- 4mo ago

throwburn202605 4mo ago

In some ways its hard to differentiate between big tech and the national security complex, where execs are being sworn into the military https://www.army.mil/article/286317/army_launches_detachment_201_executive_innovation_corps_to_drive_tech_transformation https://www.army.mil/article/286317/army_launches_detachment...

Tangurena2 4mo ago

I think America is becoming more like Russia, with a dictator who eliminates any billionaire who disagrees with His Dictatorship. The American groups who want to go back to the "glory years" of the 1950s are equivalent to the Russian groups who want to go back to the "glory years" of the Soviet Union.

MisterTea 4mo ago
This is exactly where we are headed: a has-been that sold itself down a river to a bunch of kleptocrats who only are about themselves and their sycophants.

throwaway27448 4mo ago

I wish we were becoming like china; it feels a lot more like big brother from 1984.