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> Tesco is also dealing with migration challenges related to data security because its new, unnamed virtualization software is incompatible with the Veeam and Z

> Tesco is also dealing with migration challenges related to data security because its new, unnamed virtualization software is incompatible with the Veeam and Zerto products it uses. What is a VMware alternative, that isn't compatible with backup software? I'm guessing it's not nutanix?

Fordec 4mo ago
I've been hearing that HPE are on a push lately with larger enterprises trying to encroach on VMWare during their pricing changes, might be them.
- d3Xt3r 4mo ago
  HPE's VMWare alternative is Morpheus, and it supports both Veeam and Zerto. So it's probably not them.
cloudie78 4mo ago
OpenShift as an alternative to Tanzu. OpenShift Virtualisation or whatever it’s called for the virtualisation part of VMWare. Used to do those migration in a previous life.
- p_l 4mo ago
  The latter is IIRC rebadged KubeVirt
  - nunez 4mo ago
    OpenShift Virt is way more than Kubevirt.
    - p_l 4mo ago
      It is, I was thinking more of the core of it. In the same way one might say modern Openshift is rebadged kubernetes, but I will admit it wasn't best word choice
Flere-Imsaho 4mo ago
Probably Proxmox. Veeam support is relatively new.
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- nick__m 4mo ago
  Proxmox for 40k vm would be surprising also veeam support Proxmox.
  - proxysna 4mo ago
    I'd would assume that this is not a monolithic cluster of 40k vm's but at least tens of clusters. Which puts it in the realm of capabilities of Proxmox.
    - nick__m 4mo ago
      Before my vacation we (3 colleagues and myself) completedan 8 months long migration (coordination with stakeholders is longer and more complex than migrating a 192TB VM !!!) to 6 proxmox clusters so 20 to 40 clusters for 40k is certainly possible but imo it would be unwieldy.
      - SV_BubbleTime 4mo ago
        Would you do it again (ProxMox)?
        nick__m 4mo ago
        The FC multipathing was a learning experience and the manual workload placement requires good metrics on your workloads. The built-in ceph is decently configured and more performant than FC if you have 100GBS mellanox NICs and adequate quantity of ram. Veeam integration is serviceable but it's not as mature and polished as the integration available on vmware. Having tried azure local before (it seems magical but the more you use it the worst it gets, update failed for no apparent reason on only some supposedlyidentical nodes, the sdn was atrocious to deploy and was manageable from wac only), I would recommend proxmox over it anyday. If you don't have linux expertise on hand and have traditional FC based storage, I would recommend something else, probably nutanix if your budget is big enough.
digitalsin 4mo ago
Nutanix has served us well over the last 8 or so years.
- beniihana 4mo ago
  How has pricing been? I’ve heard their renewals can get expensive. Have lots of customer who run it and would echo your same positive review.
  - digitalsin 4mo ago
    I don't love their pricing but it's not brutal like others I've seen. We run 3 clusters - one of which is an old legacy cluster that was our original and despite Nutanix not supporting it officially (meaning we don't pay for support on it), their support has still been helpful with it and like the other 2 clusters, uptime/stability has been rock solid. Prism Central has definitely gotten better with the UI since the earlier days. I still prefer Prism Element in some cases, but overall it all works pretty well. We use HYCU for backups and while I was really skeptical about it in the beginning, it is absolutely solid in a Nutanix environment. Overall we are happy with Nutanix.
- twizod 4mo ago
  We have migrated from VMware to Nutanix, well, over half way there from a 8,000 VM pool. Nutanix has been a royal pain. LCM updates fubar'ing, Firmware upgrades screwing up UUID numbers of disks so CVM's won't boot, VM's not handling vlan nic and vxlan nic together, our SAN's just now being supported, the amount of bug fixes is weekly and impossible to keep up with, a team's ddos'ing of us with their app caused distributed storage to reboot every VM in the cluster, etc etc etc......I hate Broadcom but Nutanix has been painful!
naturalmovement 4mo ago
I'm having flashbacks from the late 90s/ early 00s when your company would hire a "Linux guy" that would force a large scale migration to some open source stack no one heard of, then only later worry about if any existing applications worked.
- nikanj 4mo ago
  Currently in Finland, a major public health provider is moving to chromebooks. By the end of 2026. They won’t even have the test environments ready before Q3 2026. Interesting times.
ndsipa_pomu 4mo ago
Running machines under basic Linux KVM (Kernel Virtual Machines). Veeam have started supporting it, but only on RedHat.

Fordec 4mo ago

I've been hearing that HPE are on a push lately with larger enterprises trying to encroach on VMWare during their pricing changes, might be them.

d3Xt3r 4mo ago
HPE's VMWare alternative is Morpheus, and it supports both Veeam and Zerto. So it's probably not them.

cloudie78 4mo ago

OpenShift as an alternative to Tanzu. OpenShift Virtualisation or whatever it’s called for the virtualisation part of VMWare. Used to do those migration in a previous life.

p_l 4mo ago
The latter is IIRC rebadged KubeVirt
- nunez 4mo ago
  OpenShift Virt is way more than Kubevirt.
  - p_l 4mo ago
    It is, I was thinking more of the core of it. In the same way one might say modern Openshift is rebadged kubernetes, but I will admit it wasn't best word choice

Flere-Imsaho 4mo ago

Probably Proxmox. Veeam support is relatively new.

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nick__m 4mo ago
Proxmox for 40k vm would be surprising also veeam support Proxmox.
- proxysna 4mo ago
  I'd would assume that this is not a monolithic cluster of 40k vm's but at least tens of clusters. Which puts it in the realm of capabilities of Proxmox.
  - nick__m 4mo ago
    Before my vacation we (3 colleagues and myself) completedan 8 months long migration (coordination with stakeholders is longer and more complex than migrating a 192TB VM !!!) to 6 proxmox clusters so 20 to 40 clusters for 40k is certainly possible but imo it would be unwieldy.
    - SV_BubbleTime 4mo ago
      Would you do it again (ProxMox)?
      - nick__m 4mo ago
        The FC multipathing was a learning experience and the manual workload placement requires good metrics on your workloads. The built-in ceph is decently configured and more performant than FC if you have 100GBS mellanox NICs and adequate quantity of ram. Veeam integration is serviceable but it's not as mature and polished as the integration available on vmware. Having tried azure local before (it seems magical but the more you use it the worst it gets, update failed for no apparent reason on only some supposedlyidentical nodes, the sdn was atrocious to deploy and was manageable from wac only), I would recommend proxmox over it anyday. If you don't have linux expertise on hand and have traditional FC based storage, I would recommend something else, probably nutanix if your budget is big enough.

digitalsin 4mo ago

Nutanix has served us well over the last 8 or so years.

beniihana 4mo ago
How has pricing been? I’ve heard their renewals can get expensive. Have lots of customer who run it and would echo your same positive review.
- digitalsin 4mo ago
  I don't love their pricing but it's not brutal like others I've seen. We run 3 clusters - one of which is an old legacy cluster that was our original and despite Nutanix not supporting it officially (meaning we don't pay for support on it), their support has still been helpful with it and like the other 2 clusters, uptime/stability has been rock solid. Prism Central has definitely gotten better with the UI since the earlier days. I still prefer Prism Element in some cases, but overall it all works pretty well. We use HYCU for backups and while I was really skeptical about it in the beginning, it is absolutely solid in a Nutanix environment. Overall we are happy with Nutanix.
twizod 4mo ago
We have migrated from VMware to Nutanix, well, over half way there from a 8,000 VM pool. Nutanix has been a royal pain. LCM updates fubar'ing, Firmware upgrades screwing up UUID numbers of disks so CVM's won't boot, VM's not handling vlan nic and vxlan nic together, our SAN's just now being supported, the amount of bug fixes is weekly and impossible to keep up with, a team's ddos'ing of us with their app caused distributed storage to reboot every VM in the cluster, etc etc etc......I hate Broadcom but Nutanix has been painful!

naturalmovement 4mo ago

I'm having flashbacks from the late 90s/ early 00s when your company would hire a "Linux guy" that would force a large scale migration to some open source stack no one heard of, then only later worry about if any existing applications worked.

nikanj 4mo ago
Currently in Finland, a major public health provider is moving to chromebooks. By the end of 2026. They won’t even have the test environments ready before Q3 2026. Interesting times.

ndsipa_pomu 4mo ago

Running machines under basic Linux KVM (Kernel Virtual Machines). Veeam have started supporting it, but only on RedHat.