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Same here. I'll be in a market soon and I had my eyes on a VW i4 or a Škoda Enyaq, but this makes me seriously reconsider. I really wanted to support local ind

by bojan 4mo ago

Same here. I'll be in a market soon and I had my eyes on a VW i4 or a Škoda Enyaq, but this makes me seriously reconsider. I really wanted to support local industry and buy a European product this time, but they are making it seriously difficult (no, don't get me even started on Stellantis).

joe_mamba 4mo ago
Go with Dacia, though their EVs seem to have very low range.
- abyssin 4mo ago
  2022 Dacia Sandero is a great car. Analog buttons, good build quality, well designed. And it’s cheap.
  - isoprophlex 4mo ago
    Possibly the single ugliest recent car though
    - nickserv 4mo ago
      And yet still has more personality than the latest Ferrari.
    - WarOnPrivacy 4mo ago
      > Possibly the single ugliest recent car though I checked it out. It seems like the 100th indistinguishable car design in our sea of nearly identical cars. This to say that the "est" part of ugliest confuses me a little.
    - kolmogorov 4mo ago
      looks completely generic. I googled it expecting a new Fiat Multipla or Chrysler PT Cruiser and I was disappointed.
bogeholm 4mo ago
Mercedes has some interesting EV options, and they have some models at the moment that are not necessarily that expensive. Through the grapevine I overheard something about surplus production due to mandate to build a certain number of EVs. If you don’t want/need a new car, the used car market in Germany is pretty active with EQAs and EQBs.
- martin_a 4mo ago
  Mercedes is terrible for EVs. Adaptive Cruise Control for example is a paid feature with a recurring subscription. Don't encourage "Car as a Service" concepts.
  - bogeholm 4mo ago
    Didn’t know, thanks
    - martin_a 4mo ago
      No problem! Former colleague had an EQB and I nearly hit another car on the Autobahn because cruise control was not breaking when I got closer. That was really unexpected as that was a standard feature in my Hyundai...
FabCH 4mo ago
Renault makes good electric vans. Not quite an SUV, but maybe fits the same use case?
goobatrooba 4mo ago
I was hesitating between a VW ID.4 and Peugeot 5008 (7 seater, much space). In the end I went for the Peugeot and it's fine. The ID was much more fun to drive, but I would have lost space and paid a lot more. Peugeot is reasonable and works. Charging could be faster and WLTP longer, and once I had the screens restart while on the motorway which thankfully did not affect driving but was pretty terrifying. All that to say - go ahead and buy European. You'll have some issues but for me all better than to get a china car with who knows what data exfiltration and hidden issues, or a Tesla that will lock you in when the car burns. EU companies are too boring to spy and too risk averse to have tesla-like issues..

by bojan 4mo ago

joe_mamba 4mo ago

Go with Dacia, though their EVs seem to have very low range.

abyssin 4mo ago
2022 Dacia Sandero is a great car. Analog buttons, good build quality, well designed. And it’s cheap.
- isoprophlex 4mo ago
  Possibly the single ugliest recent car though
  - nickserv 4mo ago
    And yet still has more personality than the latest Ferrari.
  - WarOnPrivacy 4mo ago
    > Possibly the single ugliest recent car though I checked it out. It seems like the 100th indistinguishable car design in our sea of nearly identical cars. This to say that the "est" part of ugliest confuses me a little.
  - kolmogorov 4mo ago
    looks completely generic. I googled it expecting a new Fiat Multipla or Chrysler PT Cruiser and I was disappointed.

bogeholm 4mo ago

Mercedes has some interesting EV options, and they have some models at the moment that are not necessarily that expensive. Through the grapevine I overheard something about surplus production due to mandate to build a certain number of EVs. If you don’t want/need a new car, the used car market in Germany is pretty active with EQAs and EQBs.

martin_a 4mo ago
Mercedes is terrible for EVs. Adaptive Cruise Control for example is a paid feature with a recurring subscription. Don't encourage "Car as a Service" concepts.
- bogeholm 4mo ago
  Didn’t know, thanks
  - martin_a 4mo ago
    No problem! Former colleague had an EQB and I nearly hit another car on the Autobahn because cruise control was not breaking when I got closer. That was really unexpected as that was a standard feature in my Hyundai...

FabCH 4mo ago

Renault makes good electric vans. Not quite an SUV, but maybe fits the same use case?

goobatrooba 4mo ago

I was hesitating between a VW ID.4 and Peugeot 5008 (7 seater, much space). In the end I went for the Peugeot and it's fine. The ID was much more fun to drive, but I would have lost space and paid a lot more. Peugeot is reasonable and works. Charging could be faster and WLTP longer, and once I had the screens restart while on the motorway which thankfully did not affect driving but was pretty terrifying. All that to say - go ahead and buy European. You'll have some issues but for me all better than to get a china car with who knows what data exfiltration and hidden issues, or a Tesla that will lock you in when the car burns. EU companies are too boring to spy and too risk averse to have tesla-like issues..