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Uh, some would say it's easy to determine what input went into the training for kimi and qwen.. since they were caught stealing it from American labs. Some cul

by siva7 4mo ago

Uh, some would say it's easy to determine what input went into the training for kimi and qwen.. since they were caught stealing it from American labs. Some cultural cliches may never change.

ignoramous 4mo ago
> since they were caught stealing it from American labs. Some cultural cliches may never change. Has a formal lawsuit been brought to bear? Given, Anthropic & OpenAI are being dragged through courts for copyright violation (or stealing, as you'd call it, if the companies involved were culturally Chinese) by newspapers, publishing houses etc; one'd think they'd pass on some of that medicine to Alibaba, which does have business entities registered in the US.
janc_ 4mo ago
It's well-known that all commercial models are based on stolen content. That doesn't mean there is no filtering/censoring, just that the censoring likely depends on where it's happening…
- selcuka 4mo ago
  > It's well-known that all commercial models are based on stolen content. Does that mean that Chinese models are the "Robin Hood"s of the AI era?
kouteiheika 4mo ago
> since they were caught stealing it from American labs ...and "good guys" the American labs were caught stealing from authors all over the world[1]. [1]: www.npr.org/2025/09/05/g-s1-87367/anthropic-authors-settlement-pirated-chatbot-training-material
- j_french 4mo ago
  .... Anthropic began buying books in bulk, tearing off the bindings and scanning each page before feeding the digitized versions into its AI model, according to court documents. Wow. This image of Anthropic employees ripping books apart to use them to train models is a powerful one, seems like an inflection point in the history of information.
basisword 4mo ago
>> Some cultural cliches may never change. Let’s just gloss over the monstrous amount of copyrighted and pirated material the American labs trained on. China bad. American good. Some cultural cliches never change.
- mschuster91 4mo ago
  How about, both China and the US bad, Europe at least somewhat decent because we lack the financial incentives to behave like utter arseholes?

by siva7 4mo ago

Uh, some would say it's easy to determine what input went into the training for kimi and qwen.. since they were caught stealing it from American labs. Some cultural cliches may never change.

ignoramous 4mo ago

> since they were caught stealing it from American labs. Some cultural cliches may never change. Has a formal lawsuit been brought to bear? Given, Anthropic & OpenAI are being dragged through courts for copyright violation (or stealing, as you'd call it, if the companies involved were culturally Chinese) by newspapers, publishing houses etc; one'd think they'd pass on some of that medicine to Alibaba, which does have business entities registered in the US.

janc_ 4mo ago

It's well-known that all commercial models are based on stolen content. That doesn't mean there is no filtering/censoring, just that the censoring likely depends on where it's happening…

selcuka 4mo ago
> It's well-known that all commercial models are based on stolen content. Does that mean that Chinese models are the "Robin Hood"s of the AI era?

kouteiheika 4mo ago

> since they were caught stealing it from American labs ...and "good guys" the American labs were caught stealing from authors all over the world[1]. [1]: www.npr.org/2025/09/05/g-s1-87367/anthropic-authors-settlement-pirated-chatbot-training-material

j_french 4mo ago
.... Anthropic began buying books in bulk, tearing off the bindings and scanning each page before feeding the digitized versions into its AI model, according to court documents. Wow. This image of Anthropic employees ripping books apart to use them to train models is a powerful one, seems like an inflection point in the history of information.

basisword 4mo ago

>> Some cultural cliches may never change. Let’s just gloss over the monstrous amount of copyrighted and pirated material the American labs trained on. China bad. American good. Some cultural cliches never change.

mschuster91 4mo ago
How about, both China and the US bad, Europe at least somewhat decent because we lack the financial incentives to behave like utter arseholes?