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Leak Exposes Members of Peter Thiel's Secretive 'Dialog' Society

181 points by frb 4mo ago

Rzor 4mo ago
https://archive.is/HVFPt https://archive.is/HVFPt
phs318u 4mo ago
Source: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:x2obbaxjktznf67mnhznpplp/post/3moejkbqctc2z https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:x2obbaxjktznf67mnhznpplp/po...
- Rzor 4mo ago
  Some god-awful opsec in there. The list was literally indexed by Google.
  - Topfi 4mo ago
    I had a situation yesterday were I was forced to explain that requiring a public userID with a curl request is not a safety measure. This is worse, somehow.
- jrflowers 4mo ago
  Sophia Bush, Actress, One Tree Hill She was also on Chicago PD! >:(
_delirium 4mo ago
I find it kind of funny that the last time a partial member list leaked (a few years ago) it was because they tried to invite Andrew Gelman and he mocked it on his blog: https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2022/02/16/hey-i-got-an-exclusive-invitation-to-this-off-the-record-conference-but-i-think-ill-take-1907-jamaican-beef-patties-instead/ https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2022/02/16/hey-i-got-... I guess he didn't get invited again.
- skeledrew 4mo ago
  As a Jamaican, I'm just appreciating his comment re beef patties :).
- tacitonius 4mo ago
  The posted attendee list has a top 5 HN user present.
  - xocnad 4mo ago
    Searchable elsewhere - todsacerdoti : https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=todsacerdoti https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=todsacerdoti
  - e40 4mo ago
    Care to share?
  - deleted 4mo ago
    [deleted]
  - AIcanbiteme 4mo ago
    Rust pusher too, lol.
hirvi74 4mo ago
I am somewhat disappointed in Sam Harris being on the list. I do not agree with him on every topic, but I did enjoy some of his views back when he was more about philosophy than politics. I do find Ted Cruz being involved to be absolutely hilarious though.
- ebbi 4mo ago
  I'd argue Sam Harris' content was mostly political masquerading as philosophy. Most of his criticisms were very concentrated toward one group, and due to that, he has put himself into a corner. For example, when he's been asked about Israel being a 'promised land', as an atheist to agree with that and to overlook the atrocities it took/takes to achieve that, is pretty hypocritical.
  - dwd 4mo ago
    You might want to check the affiliations and funding/promotional channels of all the so-called intellectual dark web.
- steve_adams_86 4mo ago
  Did you see much about how his name is tied to it? I wonder in which capacity he intended to be involved and why. He has been associated with other things in the past, only to discover later that he was in a list of people who declined to participate or something. I'm not sure I'd put it past him, regardless. I like some of his ideas quite a bit, but—in one of his favourite phrases—there's a lot of daylight between us on some topics. More and more over time, it seems. That's fine, overall I mostly respect his ideas.
- aaron695 4mo ago
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adrianwaj 4mo ago
"off the record" ...I think an "on the record" society makes more sense. People wear smart glasses, everything recorded, transcribed and fed into an LLM. People can have a mute button, but generally discouraged. Suitable in the age of prediction markets, high definition streaming and fast software development. Humans can be verified at the door.
- wpm 4mo ago
  Sounds like Hell
  - adrianwaj 4mo ago
    Yep, but remember the news story "France moves to break encrypted messaging".. someone proposed it'll end up all being fed into an LLM. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48079325 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48079325 May as well have some opt-in regarding the matter. In the process, news stories could become, well, automated... the interviews are done in the society. The hellish part would be a clanker coming up to you and asking a bunch of probing questions, that's why I think they should be banned. Then again, people could start talking in code words to confuse listeners.
- gnoll_of_gozag 4mo ago
  why?
  - adrianwaj 4mo ago
    To concentrate human intelligence in realtime. What are we doing here? Why does it have to be limited to keyboard input?
whateveracct 4mo ago
cringe to be on that list
smrtinsert 4mo ago
Joseph Gordon-Leavitt really stands out, why would he be included here?
- pull_my_finger 4mo ago
  Only thing that comes to mind off the top of the head is that JGL has been very outspoken against AI and the dangers of kids using it.
- BlueTemplar 4mo ago
  I have only had the minimum of time to look into it, so far I only found his own vague justification, his wife supposedly(?) being part of Open AI, a multimedia platform he made then maybe or maybe not un/ethically provided the data of it to Ubisoft, him supposedly lobbying against section 230, and even more vague accusations of 'Zionism'.
smackeyacky 4mo ago
Power adjacent losers. Pathetic.
doublerabbit 4mo ago
Just goes to show that the world is plagued with corruption and no matter how exposed nothing ever changes. People seem to be okay with this.
tennfown 4mo ago
Does this society include the mentally ill gay young men he’s grooming?
dev213 4mo ago
the way this got leaked is so embarrassingly stupid. Their website was just a react SPA with the entire member list in the JS bundle. What a stupid mistake to make for these tech "geniuses".
- jazzypants 4mo ago
  They think that AI is so perfect and wonderful that they didn't even do a "find the security bugs" prompt on their crummy vibe coded website.
- port11 4mo ago
  Client-side hydration baby, gotta keep it fast.
u1hcw9nx 4mo ago
That participation list is not especially selective, politically aligned or sinister. Many are there because they are famous or influential in politics, business, journalism etc. More just connecting people from non-related sides. Some names I recognize: Preet Bhara, Sam Harris, Tyler Cohen, Kaja Kallas (VP European Comission), Elon Musk, Jared Kushner, Steven Pinker, Lawrence Summers (always Larry) Garry Kasparov, Ezra Klein, Jonathan Haidt, Joseph Gordon Levitt (actor)
- joaogui1 4mo ago
  I think globally they’re all center-right to alt-right, which of them are considered leftwing in the US?
  - jfengel 4mo ago
    Ezra Klein is legitimately considered left wing in the US. Sam Harris is not actively a psychopath, which passes as "left wing" in America.
  - mahmoud420 4mo ago
    [dead]
- port11 4mo ago
  The topics of discussion at the retreat are somewhat questionable. We’re also not exactly sure what some of these people believe in. Personally, I’d never want Thiel or Kushner anywhere near my EU officials. Not even in the same planet.
wunderlotus 4mo ago
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whateveracct 4mo ago
immad akhund

181 points by frb 4mo ago

Rzor 4mo ago

https://archive.is/HVFPt https://archive.is/HVFPt

Source: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:x2obbaxjktznf67mnhznpplp/post/3moejkbqctc2z https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:x2obbaxjktznf67mnhznpplp/po...

Rzor 4mo ago
Some god-awful opsec in there. The list was literally indexed by Google.
- Topfi 4mo ago
  I had a situation yesterday were I was forced to explain that requiring a public userID with a curl request is not a safety measure. This is worse, somehow.
jrflowers 4mo ago
Sophia Bush, Actress, One Tree Hill She was also on Chicago PD! >:(

_delirium 4mo ago

I find it kind of funny that the last time a partial member list leaked (a few years ago) it was because they tried to invite Andrew Gelman and he mocked it on his blog: https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2022/02/16/hey-i-got-an-exclusive-invitation-to-this-off-the-record-conference-but-i-think-ill-take-1907-jamaican-beef-patties-instead/ https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2022/02/16/hey-i-got-... I guess he didn't get invited again.

skeledrew 4mo ago
As a Jamaican, I'm just appreciating his comment re beef patties :).
tacitonius 4mo ago
The posted attendee list has a top 5 HN user present.
- xocnad 4mo ago
  Searchable elsewhere - todsacerdoti : https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=todsacerdoti https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=todsacerdoti
- e40 4mo ago
  Care to share?
- deleted 4mo ago
  [deleted]
- AIcanbiteme 4mo ago
  Rust pusher too, lol.

hirvi74 4mo ago

I am somewhat disappointed in Sam Harris being on the list. I do not agree with him on every topic, but I did enjoy some of his views back when he was more about philosophy than politics. I do find Ted Cruz being involved to be absolutely hilarious though.

ebbi 4mo ago
I'd argue Sam Harris' content was mostly political masquerading as philosophy. Most of his criticisms were very concentrated toward one group, and due to that, he has put himself into a corner. For example, when he's been asked about Israel being a 'promised land', as an atheist to agree with that and to overlook the atrocities it took/takes to achieve that, is pretty hypocritical.
- dwd 4mo ago
  You might want to check the affiliations and funding/promotional channels of all the so-called intellectual dark web.
steve_adams_86 4mo ago
Did you see much about how his name is tied to it? I wonder in which capacity he intended to be involved and why. He has been associated with other things in the past, only to discover later that he was in a list of people who declined to participate or something. I'm not sure I'd put it past him, regardless. I like some of his ideas quite a bit, but—in one of his favourite phrases—there's a lot of daylight between us on some topics. More and more over time, it seems. That's fine, overall I mostly respect his ideas.
aaron695 4mo ago
[dead]

deleted 4mo ago

[deleted]

adrianwaj 4mo ago

"off the record" ...I think an "on the record" society makes more sense. People wear smart glasses, everything recorded, transcribed and fed into an LLM. People can have a mute button, but generally discouraged. Suitable in the age of prediction markets, high definition streaming and fast software development. Humans can be verified at the door.

wpm 4mo ago
Sounds like Hell
- adrianwaj 4mo ago
  Yep, but remember the news story "France moves to break encrypted messaging".. someone proposed it'll end up all being fed into an LLM. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48079325 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48079325 May as well have some opt-in regarding the matter. In the process, news stories could become, well, automated... the interviews are done in the society. The hellish part would be a clanker coming up to you and asking a bunch of probing questions, that's why I think they should be banned. Then again, people could start talking in code words to confuse listeners.
gnoll_of_gozag 4mo ago
why?
- adrianwaj 4mo ago
  To concentrate human intelligence in realtime. What are we doing here? Why does it have to be limited to keyboard input?

whateveracct 4mo ago

cringe to be on that list

smrtinsert 4mo ago

Joseph Gordon-Leavitt really stands out, why would he be included here?

pull_my_finger 4mo ago
Only thing that comes to mind off the top of the head is that JGL has been very outspoken against AI and the dangers of kids using it.
BlueTemplar 4mo ago
I have only had the minimum of time to look into it, so far I only found his own vague justification, his wife supposedly(?) being part of Open AI, a multimedia platform he made then maybe or maybe not un/ethically provided the data of it to Ubisoft, him supposedly lobbying against section 230, and even more vague accusations of 'Zionism'.

smackeyacky 4mo ago

Power adjacent losers. Pathetic.

doublerabbit 4mo ago

Just goes to show that the world is plagued with corruption and no matter how exposed nothing ever changes. People seem to be okay with this.

tennfown 4mo ago

Does this society include the mentally ill gay young men he’s grooming?

dev213 4mo ago

the way this got leaked is so embarrassingly stupid. Their website was just a react SPA with the entire member list in the JS bundle. What a stupid mistake to make for these tech "geniuses".

jazzypants 4mo ago
They think that AI is so perfect and wonderful that they didn't even do a "find the security bugs" prompt on their crummy vibe coded website.
port11 4mo ago
Client-side hydration baby, gotta keep it fast.

u1hcw9nx 4mo ago

That participation list is not especially selective, politically aligned or sinister. Many are there because they are famous or influential in politics, business, journalism etc. More just connecting people from non-related sides. Some names I recognize: Preet Bhara, Sam Harris, Tyler Cohen, Kaja Kallas (VP European Comission), Elon Musk, Jared Kushner, Steven Pinker, Lawrence Summers (always Larry) Garry Kasparov, Ezra Klein, Jonathan Haidt, Joseph Gordon Levitt (actor)

joaogui1 4mo ago
I think globally they’re all center-right to alt-right, which of them are considered leftwing in the US?
- jfengel 4mo ago
  Ezra Klein is legitimately considered left wing in the US. Sam Harris is not actively a psychopath, which passes as "left wing" in America.
- mahmoud420 4mo ago
  [dead]
port11 4mo ago
The topics of discussion at the retreat are somewhat questionable. We’re also not exactly sure what some of these people believe in. Personally, I’d never want Thiel or Kushner anywhere near my EU officials. Not even in the same planet.

wunderlotus 4mo ago

[dead]

whateveracct 4mo ago

immad akhund