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>I don't see how any self-respecting Hacker could choose anything else Brave and Vivaldi strike me as being at least not worse.

throwaway27448 4mo ago
I thought that brave was caught injecting affiliate links. That alone makes it worse than anything mozilla has done. Edit: https://old.reddit.com/r/brave_browser/comments/1ebbeas/why_is_brave_inserting_additional_text_affiliate/ https://old.reddit.com/r/brave_browser/comments/1ebbeas/why_...
- basch 4mo ago
  ill be in the strong minority here, and it should be opt-in, but if theres no affiliate link, i would be ok with my tiny marketshare browser capturing the extra. less ethical for them to be replacing other peoples affiliate links, but they are also blocking ads ... so, not exactly the most purely ethical product in the world anyway.
  - Sohcahtoa82 4mo ago
    What I don't understand is how inserting affiliate links doesn't violate affiliate ToS.
  - throwaway27448 4mo ago
    I would much rather just pay the browser maker directly rather than it subtly doing strange things without letting me know. > so, not exactly the most purely ethical product in the world anyway. Ads are hardly an example of an ethical product to begin with, hah.
    - basch 4mo ago
      two wrongs?
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 4mo ago
  "Direct match" can be disabled It's URL prefixing Vivaldi claims they don't collect data from "Direct Match" No way to verify this claim is true but that's beside the point. It's another web browser sending traffic to it's own servers Vivaldi is Chromium-based This week an "I'm quitting" blog post from a former Mozilla employee was on the HN front page. He more or less recommended Vivaldi, i.e., Chromium The problem of advertising is not solved by choice of browser vendor where _all_ the vendors are trying to make money from ad services, partnerships with Google, affiliate marketing, cryptocurrency, etc. "Not as bad as Chrome" is a pathetically low bar to meet These browsers take longer to compile than an operating system. Absurd complexity and vulnerability The Vivaldi default settings are just as bad as any other so-called "modern" browser, i.e., they have to be changed It's a fool's errand to compare these browsers to each other. They have far more similarities than differences. They all suck
netdevphoenix 4mo ago
Those 2 browsers used a rendering engine developed by Google. It would not be wrong to consider them partial chromium reskins with all the technical dependency it entails.
jdiff 4mo ago
They're built on Chromium, they still reinforce the Chromium monoculture and expand Google's influence.

throwaway27448 4mo ago

I thought that brave was caught injecting affiliate links. That alone makes it worse than anything mozilla has done. Edit: https://old.reddit.com/r/brave_browser/comments/1ebbeas/why_is_brave_inserting_additional_text_affiliate/ https://old.reddit.com/r/brave_browser/comments/1ebbeas/why_...

basch 4mo ago
ill be in the strong minority here, and it should be opt-in, but if theres no affiliate link, i would be ok with my tiny marketshare browser capturing the extra. less ethical for them to be replacing other peoples affiliate links, but they are also blocking ads ... so, not exactly the most purely ethical product in the world anyway.
- Sohcahtoa82 4mo ago
  What I don't understand is how inserting affiliate links doesn't violate affiliate ToS.
- throwaway27448 4mo ago
  I would much rather just pay the browser maker directly rather than it subtly doing strange things without letting me know. > so, not exactly the most purely ethical product in the world anyway. Ads are hardly an example of an ethical product to begin with, hah.
  - basch 4mo ago
    two wrongs?
1vuio0pswjnm7 4mo ago
"Direct match" can be disabled It's URL prefixing Vivaldi claims they don't collect data from "Direct Match" No way to verify this claim is true but that's beside the point. It's another web browser sending traffic to it's own servers Vivaldi is Chromium-based This week an "I'm quitting" blog post from a former Mozilla employee was on the HN front page. He more or less recommended Vivaldi, i.e., Chromium The problem of advertising is not solved by choice of browser vendor where _all_ the vendors are trying to make money from ad services, partnerships with Google, affiliate marketing, cryptocurrency, etc. "Not as bad as Chrome" is a pathetically low bar to meet These browsers take longer to compile than an operating system. Absurd complexity and vulnerability The Vivaldi default settings are just as bad as any other so-called "modern" browser, i.e., they have to be changed It's a fool's errand to compare these browsers to each other. They have far more similarities than differences. They all suck

netdevphoenix 4mo ago

Those 2 browsers used a rendering engine developed by Google. It would not be wrong to consider them partial chromium reskins with all the technical dependency it entails.

jdiff 4mo ago

They're built on Chromium, they still reinforce the Chromium monoculture and expand Google's influence.