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EU legislature is an actual corpus of laws. It’s imperfect, but it’s arguably better than having a guy that can block a model or threat companies because they c

by mmarq 4mo ago

EU legislature is an actual corpus of laws. It’s imperfect, but it’s arguably better than having a guy that can block a model or threat companies because they crossed him.

bluegatty 4mo ago
No it's not. Europe has no models to even block. The US has a guy who occasionally can screw things up for a few weeks, but who will be gone in a while. You have it upside down: the innovation and the stuff is the valuable thing, the laws are there to help us organize ourselves a bit after the fact. They're always a secondary concern to the extent that the vast majority of civilization is working with one another, doing material things wherein the law usually is there as a backstop. There are some ugly things here and there but by and large - 'cookie settings' has not materially improved people's lives - and not nearly as much as the innovations on the web themselves. Doing is primacy, regulating is always secondary, with only a few exceptions. The EU is in really really bad shape on industrial issues on a continental scale - 'too many regulations' is actually not a root cause (it's a big drag, but not root), but it's also not for the most part some kind of advantage. You see the same thing play out with defence and other things. Having to beg the US for help with Ukraine, for Patriot munitions, Starlink, advanced intel, for 5th Gen gear, mid range ballistic missiles - it's an existentially disempowering posture. Human rights won't matter in the areas where the Russians have conquerd or destroyed. Again, here EU/Euro governance issues loom large. 'Do the thing' then as you go along, think about some guardrails or whatever, but the 'do the thing' is the hard part that deserves most of the focus.
- sajithdilshan 4mo ago
  Exactly, it’s quite funny that everyone equate US and US legal system to Trump. The founding fathers created a constitution that can whit-stand and survive people like Trump and still the Republic would thrive. Trump would be gone in few years but US would still be there like it has been for the past 250 years for the people by the people. On the other hand EU started as an economic union and has rotten into a behemoth that tries to control every aspect of Europeans. It was not created by the people for the people, rather a bunch of bureaucrats to exert their power and establish authority. At the start EU has done a lot of good things as an economic union, but at its current form, it does more harm for the growth of Europe rather than helping
  - sumeno 4mo ago
    The founding fathers created a document that was already struggling with modern realities prior to Trump. 250 years is not a particularly impressive amount of time for a country to not fall apart.
    - sajithdilshan 4mo ago
      Care to elaborate on concrete examples on where it struggled? 250 years is quite impressive even if you don't believe it or not because only a handful of countries in the whole world has an older constitution.
      - bluegatty 4mo ago
        There was a civil war, that killed millions, it was fought over slavery. 250 years is commendable, but it wasn't without problems. 'stable' as we understand it is relatively modern.
    - frollogaston 4mo ago
      US Constitution has aged pretty well. Some things in there don't seem as relevant today, but some are more relevant now than ever.
      - pfdietz 4mo ago
        https://theonion.com/third-amendment-rights-group-celebrates-another-success-1819569379/ https://theonion.com/third-amendment-rights-group-celebrates...
        sajithdilshan 4mo ago
        really? The Onion as a source?
        pfdietz 4mo ago
        As a humorous illustration of the point (of the presence of what is now low relevance content in the constitution.) Let's try to figure out where the 3rd amendment might actually have significance in the future. Maybe in space habitats? Or could forced installation of government AI in systems be considered a 3rd amendment violation?
- frollogaston 4mo ago
  The cookie stuff is hilarious. I went to the EU recently, and the banners were so bad that I started using a US VPN.
- satvikpendem 4mo ago
  Exactly. Europe makes the process and bureaucracy the end itself rather than understanding that they are one part of a means to an end, of actual innovation. People don't call Europe a mausoleum for nothing.
  - bluegatty 4mo ago
    Nobody calls Europe a mausoleum. It's vibrant and productive, just not at the 'next level' and it lacks some industrial dynamism.
- mmarq 4mo ago
  > The US has a guy who occasionally can screw things up for a few weeks, but who will be gone in a while. We have all just realized that the American Constitution is the jurisprudential analogue of the Albanian virus (https://github.com/AriBjornOlafsson/Albanian-Virus https://github.com/AriBjornOlafsson/Albanian-Virus). I wouldn’t take it for granted that what has happened up to now, before this new twist, will continue to happen in a world where being Trump’s friend is enough to change the NASDAQ listing rules.

by mmarq 4mo ago

EU legislature is an actual corpus of laws. It’s imperfect, but it’s arguably better than having a guy that can block a model or threat companies because they crossed him.

bluegatty 4mo ago

No it's not. Europe has no models to even block. The US has a guy who occasionally can screw things up for a few weeks, but who will be gone in a while. You have it upside down: the innovation and the stuff is the valuable thing, the laws are there to help us organize ourselves a bit after the fact. They're always a secondary concern to the extent that the vast majority of civilization is working with one another, doing material things wherein the law usually is there as a backstop. There are some ugly things here and there but by and large - 'cookie settings' has not materially improved people's lives - and not nearly as much as the innovations on the web themselves. Doing is primacy, regulating is always secondary, with only a few exceptions. The EU is in really really bad shape on industrial issues on a continental scale - 'too many regulations' is actually not a root cause (it's a big drag, but not root), but it's also not for the most part some kind of advantage. You see the same thing play out with defence and other things. Having to beg the US for help with Ukraine, for Patriot munitions, Starlink, advanced intel, for 5th Gen gear, mid range ballistic missiles - it's an existentially disempowering posture. Human rights won't matter in the areas where the Russians have conquerd or destroyed. Again, here EU/Euro governance issues loom large. 'Do the thing' then as you go along, think about some guardrails or whatever, but the 'do the thing' is the hard part that deserves most of the focus.

sajithdilshan 4mo ago
Exactly, it’s quite funny that everyone equate US and US legal system to Trump. The founding fathers created a constitution that can whit-stand and survive people like Trump and still the Republic would thrive. Trump would be gone in few years but US would still be there like it has been for the past 250 years for the people by the people. On the other hand EU started as an economic union and has rotten into a behemoth that tries to control every aspect of Europeans. It was not created by the people for the people, rather a bunch of bureaucrats to exert their power and establish authority. At the start EU has done a lot of good things as an economic union, but at its current form, it does more harm for the growth of Europe rather than helping
- sumeno 4mo ago
  The founding fathers created a document that was already struggling with modern realities prior to Trump. 250 years is not a particularly impressive amount of time for a country to not fall apart.
  - sajithdilshan 4mo ago
    Care to elaborate on concrete examples on where it struggled? 250 years is quite impressive even if you don't believe it or not because only a handful of countries in the whole world has an older constitution.
    - bluegatty 4mo ago
      There was a civil war, that killed millions, it was fought over slavery. 250 years is commendable, but it wasn't without problems. 'stable' as we understand it is relatively modern.
  - frollogaston 4mo ago
    US Constitution has aged pretty well. Some things in there don't seem as relevant today, but some are more relevant now than ever.
    - pfdietz 4mo ago
      https://theonion.com/third-amendment-rights-group-celebrates-another-success-1819569379/ https://theonion.com/third-amendment-rights-group-celebrates...
      - sajithdilshan 4mo ago
        really? The Onion as a source?
        pfdietz 4mo ago
        As a humorous illustration of the point (of the presence of what is now low relevance content in the constitution.) Let's try to figure out where the 3rd amendment might actually have significance in the future. Maybe in space habitats? Or could forced installation of government AI in systems be considered a 3rd amendment violation?
frollogaston 4mo ago
The cookie stuff is hilarious. I went to the EU recently, and the banners were so bad that I started using a US VPN.
satvikpendem 4mo ago
Exactly. Europe makes the process and bureaucracy the end itself rather than understanding that they are one part of a means to an end, of actual innovation. People don't call Europe a mausoleum for nothing.
- bluegatty 4mo ago
  Nobody calls Europe a mausoleum. It's vibrant and productive, just not at the 'next level' and it lacks some industrial dynamism.
mmarq 4mo ago
> The US has a guy who occasionally can screw things up for a few weeks, but who will be gone in a while. We have all just realized that the American Constitution is the jurisprudential analogue of the Albanian virus (https://github.com/AriBjornOlafsson/Albanian-Virus https://github.com/AriBjornOlafsson/Albanian-Virus). I wouldn’t take it for granted that what has happened up to now, before this new twist, will continue to happen in a world where being Trump’s friend is enough to change the NASDAQ listing rules.