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I enjoy windows 10 hugely now that it is out of support. It became way better when microsoft started tormenting the users of win11 instead of win10, and now tha
by cm2187 4mo ago
I enjoy windows 10 hugely now that it is out of support. It became way better when microsoft started tormenting the users of win11 instead of win10, and now that windows update doesn't bring new catastrophes and unexpected reboot, the OS is finally not interfering with usage anymore.
- tommica 4mo agoYou are not worried about 0-days and other malware?
- tommek4077 4mo agoA simple trade off. Guaranteed malware from microsoft, or potential attacks that you can mitigate with firewalls, airgaps or Anti-Virus software.
- olyjohn 4mo agoNot really. The odds are way higher that an update will hose your system and data.
- gib444 4mo agoYou mean Windows 11, or 10? I joke
- bad_username 4mo agoI use Windows 10 with a relatively obscure firewall software with a per-process/per-service whitelist, and try to not be stupid on the Internet. I also do regular backups. This should cover most of the risk model applicable to me. Has worked so far.
- robtherobber 4mo agoI don't suppose that you can share the setup with us? What firewall, how are the backups performed, how regular etc.
- sviruz 4mo agoRunning Windows 10 Enterprise IoT LTSC still gives you updates until 2031 with the added benefit of no app store. I run it as my main OS since last October and have yet to encounter any issues.
- BallyBrain 4mo agoI thought it was 2032. I use IoT LTSC as well and I can second that this is a great OS and everything runs without issue. I would add that I've also used Windows 11 IoT LTSC and that experience is very similar to Windows 10 IoT LTSC.
- WithinReason 4mo agoI have Win11 Pro and have yet to encounter any issues
- jasode 4mo ago>Running Windows 10 Enterprise IoT LTSC [...] have yet to encounter any issues. It depends on the type of software a user runs. I installed Windows 10 LTSC on a friend's computer last year thinking she could run it for at least 5 more years and just ignore the newer Windows 11/12/whatever. But she needed Intuit TurboTax 2025 and it requires Windows 11 and it's a hard requirement. The installer aborts on Windows 10. It's not a soft requirement like Adobe where they only support Windows 11 but their installer still runs on Windows 10. Autodesk Fusion 360 is another example that requires Windows 11. I'm guessing if there's a future Windows 12, Intuit TurboTax will be aggressive about making it a requirement that forces the issue even though nobody wants to upgrade to it.
- krenzo 4mo agoFusion 360 complains about Windows 10, but it still runs fine.
- keyringlight 4mo agoI'd say that comes down to the difference between requirements (i.e. will it run at all, does it use features only found in win11) and support, and the developer's decisions around that. I can appreciate not supporting win10 even if it runs as they have a written or implied burden to make sure it keeps operating correctly for the lifespan, and that may include keeping test systems around or handling bugs that turn up in the OS that's getting reduced support itself, or other factors like drivers. Then there's the question of whether people would be willing to pay for a "your mileage may vary" level of support on something commercial.
- cm2187 4mo agoThe computer is not exposed to the WAN (behind a firewall), the main way it could get infected is via a vulnerability in a browser, but these do get updated. And OS updates don't really protect you from malware in executables you install anyway.
- jdiff 4mo agoThere's always the next great kernel level font or scrollbar exploit.
- Grombobulous 4mo agoThe other potentially obvious question is why bother using an OS that’s out of support when Linux is so good? I left Windows 11. The last straw wasn’t Microsoft accounts or Windows updates. I actually thought the OS was fine, most OS updates actually added great new features, and anything I considered an annoyance was easy to disable permanently. Toss your Windows 11 ISO into Rufus and disabling things like Microsoft account requirements is a trivial process. What I actually rage quit Windows over was AMD graphics drivers and a couple of my video games crashing. What caught me by surprise is just how little I’d miss it. I thought I’d need to dual boot or run a Windows VM for little random things. Nope, I just don’t need them. I didn’t expect to find an OS with more software that I tend to like better. Like my email client, where I moved from Thunderbird to Evolution and for the most part I find that to be a step up in user experience.
- netdevphoenix 4mo agoI would guess because "so good" does not equate with 100% and presumably the user's needs fall in that 5%. Linux has been usable for non proprietary software for decades now. The fact that people are refusing to jump ship even when Windows actively undermines them and itself speaks volumes of people's aversion (or inability) to switch OSes.
- Grombobulous 4mo agoOddly I’m like mostly using proprietary Windows software on my Linux machine these days (games). I also think the AI era goes very far in eliminating those 5% problems. I have a mostly non-technical friend who set up an old laptop with Linux for the first time and he told me that he’d never have been able to do it on his own without AI. Anytime there’s an issue, his solution is just a quick question or copy/paste away.
- ozim 4mo agoMan 0-days are expensive stuff no one throws them at random people.
- eur0pa 4mo agoNo.
- sensanaty 4mo agoMicrosoft already handles infecting their users, how many times have they broken Windows 11 through patches?
- samiv 4mo agoWhy would they need to be any more worried about those now than before? The same holes exists and have existed for some time already. If he was not worried about them before why be worried about them now? And if you're worried about security holes why not be worried about the ones that exist now? In general I find it funny that some people think that system is "secure" when it's on the latest version. At time t0 version N is considered "secure" then an update is made at t1 with version N1 and suddenly N is no longer secure. But it didn't change... it's the same version it was before. Fact is a computer system is never going to be 100% secure.
- ChrisRR 4mo agoBecause the longer software is out in the wild, the more vulnerabilities are found. At least when they're found in windows 11 they should be patched
- OoooooooO 4mo agoESU updates are free for private users. So till november 2026 or so everything is fine. Then I will probably have to switch to Linux.
- adamtulinius 4mo agoOnly if you accept signing in with a Microsoft account.
- krater23 4mo agoFrom definition, a 0-day is not patched in any system because it's not known. But back to your real question. The biggest attack vectors are the browser, the mail client and direct network access. I would never use outlook, edge or connect my computer directly without NAT or firewall to the open internet. And would never open a website without a add blocker. You can count all other known big attacks(on unpatched Windows 7!!!) on one hand. 1) Remote execution via Wifi Stack 2) Remote execution via True Type Fonts 3) 0-Click code execution via USB Stick Icon processing Windows update instead gives AT LEAST Microsoft a steady remote code execution on your and millions of other computers. It's a really interesting attack target when you go big. Why I should trust M$ to get the security there right?
- tyfon 4mo agoJust use mass grave scripts[1] and enable 5 years of security updates. [1] https://massgrave.dev/ https://massgrave.dev/
- loloquwowndueo 4mo agolol. He’s using Windows in the first place so, clearly no.
- dmos62 4mo agoNote, there is a way to turn on extended support (updates). I'm getting updates on my w10. And random restarts, argh. Googling it should be enough to find it.
- close04 4mo agoThey're hosted on GitHub [1], if that's not implicit support from Microsoft, I don't know what is. [1] https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts
- LtWorf 4mo agoIt's still bugging me about windows 11
- mDyJzDPmBdG 4mo agoMaybe disable Secure Boot/TPM in BIOS? No more nag screens when PC doesn't support Windows 11.
- SomeUserName432 4mo ago> It became way better when microsoft started tormenting the users of win11 instead of win10, and now that windows update doesn't bring new catastrophes and unexpected reboot, the OS is finally not interfering with usage anymore. Yesterday when I booted my windows 10 desktop PC I got a bunch of popups (Win32 MessageBox) about errors in some O365 AI dll files. Turns out some MS AI software was silently installed on my PC in late may. I do not have MS Office or anything that should require any AI software.
- hilariously 4mo agoWhat you probably have is a component of O365 as an updater installed - check your programs and features because msft bundled this awhile back and once its removed it will stop the update treadmill.
- ptx 4mo agoDidn't they create Windows Installer (i.e. MSI) originally to meet the needs of Microsoft Office? And now they have MSIX to replace it, both of them built into Windows, but they still need a third installer system for Office, which is now also apparently built into Windows?
- hilariously 4mo agoThat's just the installers that you know about.
- AlexandrB 4mo agoI still get a full-screen "Upgrade to Windows 11" popup before I can get to the desktop every month or so when I start my Windows 10 machine.
- kgwxd 4mo agoWindows 10 wouldn't let me run Minecraft because the OS was out of support. I upgraded to 11, and it wouldn't let me run without logging into the OS Store, in addition to Minecraft. I removed my Windows partition completely. I run MC on Linux now.
- techteach00 4mo agoTruly updates should be focused on fixing bugs, security and performance improvements NOT new features.
- trashface 4mo agoWin10 is still getting updates if you opt in. My dad's computer started hard locking after a recent update - I spend a few hours trying to fix it, and I'm not terrible at debugging win10 issues, but I couldn't find the problem. Had to reset windows. It worked fine after doing that (of course, there was no actual hardware problem, as I had guessed), but I have to reinstall all his tax software since he does his (and my) taxes on it. So the long term reliability of win10 is rather questionable at this point; I suspect vibe coding has infiltrated the windows update process. Personally I'm on linux full time now, which has its own issues but enshittification by Microsoft is not one of them.
- mbirth 4mo agoYou should try Windows 7, then. Boots in no time at all, feels EXTREMELY snappy, and nowadays, there are UEFI loaders and a thing called VxKex-NEXT which adds the few new API calls Windows 10 introduced and thus makes W7 run many W10-only apps.
- SpikedCola 4mo agoVxKex/VxKex-NEXT really is an amazing bit of work. It helps me run the latest Apache, PHP, Go-based tools (ngrok/stripe cli), node. It’s been a game changer for keeping W7 going.