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Is this Berlin that decides anything and rolls it out contintent-wide with us in the room right now?

by stephbook 4mo ago

inigyou 4mo ago
Berlin is basically forcing the EU's hand regarding the Gaza war, so, yes?
- stephbook 4mo ago
  How is that related to immigration? > Berlin can basically dictate EU immigration single handedly That's what I was responding to. Note the UK left the EU and accepted more immigrants than before. We didn't force them. Hungary and Poland never accepted Syrian immigrants either and they weren't forced to accept them iirc.
  - inigyou 4mo ago
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    - FabCH 4mo ago
      Varoufakis is Greek and so EU citizen. He literally cannot be banned from Schengen. He is banned from public speaking in Germany and only Germany. Which the Germans can do to anyone on their own territory, including German citizens.
- SiempreViernes 4mo ago
  Only in the same sense that Hungary was dictating Russia and Ukraine policy.
- lovich 4mo ago
  Was wondering how long this thread could go before someone made it about the omnicause.
whstl 4mo ago
I believe the point was more that Germany can accept lots of immigrants being a large country, and freedom of movement will allow them inside all countries, which can lead to backlash.
- tpm 4mo ago
  And that point is wrong. An immigrant with a legal residence in Germany but no permanent residence permit can't just pack up and go live elsewhere.
  - whstl 4mo ago
    Yep, someone points it to GP down below. One needs to apply for immigration again in the next country if they want to travel for more than a vacation.
- rsynnott 4mo ago
  No, that's not how it works, not unless they naturalise.
includenotfound 4mo ago
Spain is legalizing 500k immigrants: https://www.nbcnews.com/world/spain/spain-legalizing-half-million-immigrants-unlike-united-states-rcna347405 https://www.nbcnews.com/world/spain/spain-legalizing-half-mi... Not quite Berlin, but same effect: nearly indiscriminate influx of poorly vetted immigrants that can soon travel all around Europe. So yes, it's with us in the room, just not right now, but very soon.

Is this Berlin that decides anything and rolls it out contintent-wide with us in the room right now?

inigyou 4mo ago

Berlin is basically forcing the EU's hand regarding the Gaza war, so, yes?

stephbook 4mo ago
How is that related to immigration? > Berlin can basically dictate EU immigration single handedly That's what I was responding to. Note the UK left the EU and accepted more immigrants than before. We didn't force them. Hungary and Poland never accepted Syrian immigrants either and they weren't forced to accept them iirc.
- inigyou 4mo ago
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  - FabCH 4mo ago
    Varoufakis is Greek and so EU citizen. He literally cannot be banned from Schengen. He is banned from public speaking in Germany and only Germany. Which the Germans can do to anyone on their own territory, including German citizens.
SiempreViernes 4mo ago
Only in the same sense that Hungary was dictating Russia and Ukraine policy.
lovich 4mo ago
Was wondering how long this thread could go before someone made it about the omnicause.

whstl 4mo ago

I believe the point was more that Germany can accept lots of immigrants being a large country, and freedom of movement will allow them inside all countries, which can lead to backlash.

tpm 4mo ago
And that point is wrong. An immigrant with a legal residence in Germany but no permanent residence permit can't just pack up and go live elsewhere.
- whstl 4mo ago
  Yep, someone points it to GP down below. One needs to apply for immigration again in the next country if they want to travel for more than a vacation.
rsynnott 4mo ago
No, that's not how it works, not unless they naturalise.

includenotfound 4mo ago

Spain is legalizing 500k immigrants: https://www.nbcnews.com/world/spain/spain-legalizing-half-million-immigrants-unlike-united-states-rcna347405 https://www.nbcnews.com/world/spain/spain-legalizing-half-mi... Not quite Berlin, but same effect: nearly indiscriminate influx of poorly vetted immigrants that can soon travel all around Europe. So yes, it's with us in the room, just not right now, but very soon.