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In a parallel universe where we have Biden (or Democratic Party) administration, how different do you think the regulations / approach would be for this fast mo

In a parallel universe where we have Biden (or Democratic Party) administration, how different do you think the regulations / approach would be for this fast moving and unpredictable technology?

ceejayoz 5mo ago
They at least wouldn't depend on how extensively you publicly glaze the President.
SpicyLemonZest 5mo ago
They probably would have been in line with Executive Order 14110, the Biden administration's detailed description of a principled approach to regulation of the AI industry. It would have been aligned with the Trump administration's stated goals as well, but a coalition of rich VCs successfully bribed him to rescind it as one of his first acts in office, because the primary principle of Trumpist government is that people who pay Donald Trump a lot of money get what they want.
digitaltrees 5mo ago
It’s hard not to see this ban as being motivated by retribution for refusing to use the models for spying and autonomous warfare.
hilariously 5mo ago
Probably using the rule of law in some way? Talking about it in public? Legislating? You know... government type stuff?
- mlrtime 5mo ago
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  - vineyardmike 5mo ago
    Refusing to enact new laws around a thing most people don’t like, don’t want, and don’t care about (oh and is used for scams often) is quite different than a secret back door war.
    - mlrtime 5mo ago
      "around a thing most people don’t like" Liking or not liking has nothing to do with it, this is literally the job of the government. Why do you think states started enacting their own crypto regulation laws (NYDFS) because the administration did 0.
  - thinkcontext 5mo ago
    The crypto "industry" had a series of multi-$B scams, seems like strong regulation would be called for. On the other hand, Trump executed a rug pulling token for himself and his wife days before his 2nd term and sells pardons to fraudsters and money launders. I know that inspires confidence.
    - mlrtime 5mo ago
      And Biden ran a secret covert war using the banking system which is also questionably legal. At least with the current you know what is happening and what is allowed.
      - hilariously 5mo ago
        Amazing, have you checked the tariff situation? The war in Iran? Killing people in boats in South America? The personal slush fund? Knocking down the white house? Hiring and firing felons for the cabinet? The list goes on and on for things that defy understanding what is happening and what is allowed, you are genuinely not credible.
      - thinkcontext 5mo ago
        > And Biden ran a secret covert war using the banking system which is also questionably legal. The industry is infested with scammers, what a great idea to tie the stability of the banking system to it. > At least with the current you know what is happening and what is allowed. So you would categorize bribes and North Korean style displays of fealty as a normal part of doing business?
  - Spooky23 5mo ago
    Yes you’re right. Paying off POTUS’s family through a series of pump and dump schemes is much better than what Biden did.
    - mlrtime 5mo ago
      At least their is clarity on what is allowed or not. As much as you hate crypto, the jobs of the gov is to enact these laws and enforce them. Biden had a secret war, that is not how you run a Gov.
softwaredoug 5mo ago
It doesn’t really matter what party does it The ideal case is a statutory agency with regulatory authority that sets very clear standards for what model capabilities can and cannot release. Those are set ahead of time and well known by frontier model providers. Most normal regulations are managed through the administrative procedures act process. That’s a legal requirement that involves deliberation and public comment. I’d argue you could pretty easily enumerate most capabilities that have been obvious concerns for a while. For example, cyber security. This structure can last decades and reassure players they can operate in the market without rules changing suddenly without warning. Some kind of sudden, temporary action like this export control tool is legally fragile. Even if sometimes necessary in exceptional cases. But if the administration sees this as a permanent way of working, they won’t be helping anyone (but maybe themselves through grift). If the administration truly cares about functional regulation (which maybe they don’t) they need a sturdier legal structure that lasts past Trump. Not flimsy edicts that change with the wind
- derektank 5mo ago
  I wholeheartedly agree with what you’re saying in general. I do wonder though, given how rapid advancements in AI are occurring, if even an agency with statutory authority would be able to establish a predictable regulatory environment, let alone do so while maintaining a lengthy public comment period and a whole of government approach. There are obvious flaws with the current administration’s approach to, well, almost everything. But I’m not sure if this is even a tractable problem with the governance structures we have been employing over the last 50 years.
  - softwaredoug 5mo ago
    Nothing being talked about with Mythos wasn’t a known AI risk 12 months ago. Those rules could have been established to guide frontier labs. But yes crazy things happen. Maybe it won’t catch everything. The right answer are giving the govt / this agency explicit legal, short term model pause capabilities to let the rule making process happen if something completely out of band happens. Or let the agency study/approve models prior to release. Not sudden, unexpected application of export laws. Yet in this case, for Fable, cybersecurity risks have been well know for some time. A rule created years ago when we knew this would happen could have given frontier labs and the market predictability.
b--l 5mo ago
There is not a single chance this would have happened under that admin. Not one single chance.
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In a parallel universe where we have Biden (or Democratic Party) administration, how different do you think the regulations / approach would be for this fast moving and unpredictable technology?

ceejayoz 5mo ago

They at least wouldn't depend on how extensively you publicly glaze the President.

SpicyLemonZest 5mo ago

They probably would have been in line with Executive Order 14110, the Biden administration's detailed description of a principled approach to regulation of the AI industry. It would have been aligned with the Trump administration's stated goals as well, but a coalition of rich VCs successfully bribed him to rescind it as one of his first acts in office, because the primary principle of Trumpist government is that people who pay Donald Trump a lot of money get what they want.

digitaltrees 5mo ago

It’s hard not to see this ban as being motivated by retribution for refusing to use the models for spying and autonomous warfare.

hilariously 5mo ago

Probably using the rule of law in some way? Talking about it in public? Legislating? You know... government type stuff?

mlrtime 5mo ago
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- vineyardmike 5mo ago
  Refusing to enact new laws around a thing most people don’t like, don’t want, and don’t care about (oh and is used for scams often) is quite different than a secret back door war.
  - mlrtime 5mo ago
    "around a thing most people don’t like" Liking or not liking has nothing to do with it, this is literally the job of the government. Why do you think states started enacting their own crypto regulation laws (NYDFS) because the administration did 0.
- thinkcontext 5mo ago
  The crypto "industry" had a series of multi-$B scams, seems like strong regulation would be called for. On the other hand, Trump executed a rug pulling token for himself and his wife days before his 2nd term and sells pardons to fraudsters and money launders. I know that inspires confidence.
  - mlrtime 5mo ago
    And Biden ran a secret covert war using the banking system which is also questionably legal. At least with the current you know what is happening and what is allowed.
    - hilariously 5mo ago
      Amazing, have you checked the tariff situation? The war in Iran? Killing people in boats in South America? The personal slush fund? Knocking down the white house? Hiring and firing felons for the cabinet? The list goes on and on for things that defy understanding what is happening and what is allowed, you are genuinely not credible.
    - thinkcontext 5mo ago
      > And Biden ran a secret covert war using the banking system which is also questionably legal. The industry is infested with scammers, what a great idea to tie the stability of the banking system to it. > At least with the current you know what is happening and what is allowed. So you would categorize bribes and North Korean style displays of fealty as a normal part of doing business?
- Spooky23 5mo ago
  Yes you’re right. Paying off POTUS’s family through a series of pump and dump schemes is much better than what Biden did.
  - mlrtime 5mo ago
    At least their is clarity on what is allowed or not. As much as you hate crypto, the jobs of the gov is to enact these laws and enforce them. Biden had a secret war, that is not how you run a Gov.

softwaredoug 5mo ago

It doesn’t really matter what party does it The ideal case is a statutory agency with regulatory authority that sets very clear standards for what model capabilities can and cannot release. Those are set ahead of time and well known by frontier model providers. Most normal regulations are managed through the administrative procedures act process. That’s a legal requirement that involves deliberation and public comment. I’d argue you could pretty easily enumerate most capabilities that have been obvious concerns for a while. For example, cyber security. This structure can last decades and reassure players they can operate in the market without rules changing suddenly without warning. Some kind of sudden, temporary action like this export control tool is legally fragile. Even if sometimes necessary in exceptional cases. But if the administration sees this as a permanent way of working, they won’t be helping anyone (but maybe themselves through grift). If the administration truly cares about functional regulation (which maybe they don’t) they need a sturdier legal structure that lasts past Trump. Not flimsy edicts that change with the wind

derektank 5mo ago
I wholeheartedly agree with what you’re saying in general. I do wonder though, given how rapid advancements in AI are occurring, if even an agency with statutory authority would be able to establish a predictable regulatory environment, let alone do so while maintaining a lengthy public comment period and a whole of government approach. There are obvious flaws with the current administration’s approach to, well, almost everything. But I’m not sure if this is even a tractable problem with the governance structures we have been employing over the last 50 years.
- softwaredoug 5mo ago
  Nothing being talked about with Mythos wasn’t a known AI risk 12 months ago. Those rules could have been established to guide frontier labs. But yes crazy things happen. Maybe it won’t catch everything. The right answer are giving the govt / this agency explicit legal, short term model pause capabilities to let the rule making process happen if something completely out of band happens. Or let the agency study/approve models prior to release. Not sudden, unexpected application of export laws. Yet in this case, for Fable, cybersecurity risks have been well know for some time. A rule created years ago when we knew this would happen could have given frontier labs and the market predictability.

b--l 5mo ago

There is not a single chance this would have happened under that admin. Not one single chance.

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