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As a New Yorker this doesn’t shock me too much. The level of “Mamdani is an anti-Semite” sentiment I saw online (Reddit particularly) felt truly hysterical. And

• aofjrn48 4mo ago
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  • unselect5917 4mo ago
    Show me a single article about "antisemitism on the decline".
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  • phatfish 4mo ago
    Is anti-semitism on the rise, or is the bar on the ground?
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      • crowbahr 4mo ago
        New account made just for this comment is always suspicious. Look - the correct amount of hate crime is always 0 but using a percentage masks the amount of crime that comes from noise. Hate crime is not evenly distributed - no crime is - and a rise from 10 to 20 per month in a city of 8.5 million is not the cataclysm you're acting like it is. Again: no hate crime is good and this increase is an unalloyed ill. It's something that deserves attention and NYPD resources, as well as public campaigns. The last thing I want is anyone to be attacked for their religious beliefs. But the fact that this talking point is heavily botted is indicative of broader initiatives to make sure it stays a talking point disproportionately to its impact.
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        • aofjrn48 4mo ago
          Just see what reactions I'm getting for posting a NYPD stat and my other comments who are very benign (flagged, downvoted) - HN is not a welcoming place for an actual discussion on these topics.
          • defrost 4mo ago
            It's because you're making a big deal out of a percentage change. Stinks of Lying with Statistics and people tend to assume you're either ignorant or being deliberately deceptive. See: https://xkcd.com/1102/ https://xkcd.com/1102/
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          • unselect5917 4mo ago
            Deflection + ad hominem attack + outright lies. Local maximum of bad faith dishonesty. Impressive, really that you get away with it here. This isn't reddit, twitter, or farLeftSky.
    • bigfatkitten 4mo ago
      It’s hard to say. The Israeli government, and its agents abroad have been pushing a narrative that any criticism of the government or its policies is in fact antisemitism.
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    • aofjrn48 4mo ago
      So? Does that change the reported NYPD stats?
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  • zthrowaway 4mo ago
    I’m glad to see antisemitism doesn’t have the sting it used to have. It’s been a shield to hide behind while doing the most abhorrent things. The world is waking up.
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    • phatfish 4mo ago
      In most western countries it is the only true suppression of free speech, as the state will mobilise it's full force against someone, no matter their position or spuriousness of the claims.
      • ebbi 4mo ago
        True. The UK is probably one of the worst in this regard.
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          • ebbi 4mo ago
            I'll take things that didn't happen for $10
            • nailer 4mo ago
              Do you think the entire British press is just making this up to mess with you?
              • JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
                > Do you think the entire British press is just making this up to mess with you? What do you count as the British press? The UK has a notorious yellow-journalism tabloid culture.
  • an0malous 4mo ago
    Did they categorize anti-Israel and pro-Palestine protests as antisemitic hate crimes like the universities did when they reported similar numbers? Do you agree with that categorization?
    • shakna 4mo ago
      Whilst that was certainly my gut reaction, looking at the report, they only count actual felonies where charges are laid. Protests and anti-Israel rather than antisemitic things do actually appear not to be conflated. However... Between 2013 and 2016, when that rule came into play, reported hate crimes rose 18.9%. This seems to be less a giant jump upwards, and more a slow and gradual increase. Concerning, but not the end of the world. Unsurprising in an environment where "hate the foreigner" is en vogue for the political elite.
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• KennyBlanken 4mo ago
  The NY Times coverage of him is abhorrently biased. Every time I see an article about him, the headline, summary, and article itself feel like the editors were desperate to paint him in as negative a light as possible. The man has almost overnight gotten the city to start doing things that benefit the general public, nto just the wealthy. Actions on bike lane projects that were stalled and actually taking action against slumlords. All that barely gets a mention, but they seem obsessed with trying to find fault with everything he does. During the NBA finals, he paid for his own ticket but they still took him to task for its expense ($1000) and the ticket coming from the "VIP ticket pool" like this was some abuse of his position or unethical of him. Of course the mayor gets access to the VIP pool of tickets? And he didn't abuse the privilege to get tickets for anyone else - not staff, not family, not friends. Just him.
  • ardit33 4mo ago
    They are racist, and unfortunately hard core israel supporter, which makes anybody that doesn't go with that agenda as a target. The moment that Mandani said he will stay home and serve the people of NYC, what asked 'where are you going to make your first visit when elected' it made him a target. He showed he wasn't willing to bow down to a foreign power. NYT still tries to put a veneer of modicum. NY Post is the one that is unbashingly always negative against Mamdani, full on attacks all the time. I think people had enough of it, and saw through it and voted for him just in spite. I know all the members of my soccer team voted for him. I had no clue who he was, but all the attacks backfired and made him even more famous.
    • defrost 4mo ago
      Murdoch's News Corp, owner of the NY Post, has always hated political figures cut from the same "for the people" cloth as Mandani. It's a pattern going back to humble origins in Australia, continued forward in the UK when they shredded Fleet Street norms, and exuberantly applied throughout their decades in the USofA.
  • newaccountman2 4mo ago
    Same with Politico and WSJ. Transparently biased against him.
• bayarearefugee 4mo ago
  They have to be kind of panicking that the smear tactics keep backfiring. Didn't stop Mamdani. Won't stop Platner. At this point it is amusing to see them pissing away so many millions of dollars to stop a public opinion tide that has no chance of being stopped.
  • adultSwim 4mo ago
    > Won't stop Platner. That's unfortunate. Choosing a leader who lies constantly and boasts of enjoying killing people seems like an unnecessary mistake. He is attacked by people who have defended far worse and are quite cynical. That doesn't mean he should be defended. He should be attacked by a left comfortable enough in its future vision as to not compromise on basic principles. The attacks against Mamdani were disingenuous. This suspicion has heightened when the other candidates being artificially propped up had such huge flaws. I hope we can learn to see when that dynamic pops up in other places.
    • EdwardDiego 4mo ago
      > Choosing a leader who lies constantly and boasts of enjoying killing people seems like an unnecessary mistake. I hate to break this to you, but you're already rocking multiple of them.
  • pjc50 4mo ago
    I'm not sure in the Platner case why the supposed progressive cause can't find someone without a Nazi tattoo. I'm not sure what the alleged benefits of Platner are either. Mamdani has been amazing, but what is Platner for?
    • nixon_why69 4mo ago
      It's not like it's a swastika, it was a skull and crossbones that turns out to have been used by the SS (I think?). I had no idea that particular image was nazi-related and I don't think most other people would have either. As far as "mistakes made by marines on shore leave" go it's pretty mild. Honestly his more recent scandals are more concerning as far as character. Platner's upside is being a senator that's not from the student senate -> Hill staffer -> party insider pipeline. We're all pretty much sick of that character, he sounds much more authentic by comparison.
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• JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
  I like and have come to, on certain policies and candidates, ally with Mamdani. But I’m struggling to find the relevance to New York City in this article beyond supposition. I went in ready to find a foreign attack on our homeland and come away grasping at straws.
  • ardit33 4mo ago
    French foreign services said they discovered this, but they haven't made all material they know public. They say the contacted the NY/US authorities with what they know. Do you think they are lying just for kicks?
    • JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
      > they haven't made all material they know public I want more than this! There is a lot of room between lying and fucking up. And if you're going to present a half-baked case on first impression, it's going to be a lot harder to regain everyone's attention when you get your shit together. Maybe I'm just annoyed with this issue. But I came into this thread looking for anything actionable. I'm not finding it. Just the same old nonsese being flung across the same aisle.
      • thisislife2 4mo ago
        Russia Today has some details on the operations of these firms: - Wired for War: Why is the EU ignoring the Israeli cyber threat? - https://www.rt.com/news/639159-israel-spies-eu-pegasus/ https://www.rt.com/news/639159-israel-spies-eu-pegasus/ - Wired for war: The Israeli spy-tech machine strikes again - https://swentr.site/news/640352-israel-interference-france-blackcore/ https://swentr.site/news/640352-israel-interference-france-b... - EU state lifts arms embargo on Israel after spy scandal - https://www.rt.com/news/641456-slovenia-arms-ban-israel/ https://www.rt.com/news/641456-slovenia-arms-ban-israel/ (The whole Wired for war series on RT is interesting - https://www.rt.com/trends/wired-for-war/ https://www.rt.com/trends/wired-for-war/ - as it also describes AI techs evolving role in politics and the military).
• retinaros 4mo ago
  do they mention hwo they meddled? there is a scenario where such firm would expect mamdani elected as a favorable outcome.
• strathmeyer 4mo ago
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• thatguy0900 4mo ago
  Well previous NYC mayors felt the need to travel to Israel and talk to them about how good of a job he did for them, so it is quite a change
• AbstractH24 4mo ago
  As a newyorker who was raised a modern orthdox jew, but left that world for the world arts, the last few years have been weird. On the one hand, it's been the first time I've no longer been able to take for granted that everyone in a room agrees with my political views and doesn't pre-judge me based on my background. On the other hand, I've gone back home to the suburbs and heard some really ridiculous hyperbole about what it's like in NYC. Then there's the fact that while I support Isreal, I don't support all its actions. Nor do a lot of people in the [Orthodox] Jewish community, but they are afraid to speakup too much. Modern orthdoox jews are kind of like Mitt Romney is for Mormons. Observant of all the rules, but also raised with a full secular education, encouraged to go to college, and expected to participate in society rather than isolate in thier community.
• karim79 4mo ago
  The 2026 budget for Hasbara is $730 million. That's a lot of push.
• altacc 4mo ago
  I suspect that many people, like me, now hear "antisemitic" as "anti Israel" and assume it's a politically motivated slur without justification. This is not good. As racism and actual antisemitism continues to be very real, any conflating or exaggeration of a real problem diminishes people's willingness to address the real problems.
  • ChrisRR 4mo ago
    And this is what Israel wants. To claim that anyone who disagrees with Israel and their genocide is antisemetic
  • throw377356 4mo ago
    If you notice a police officer is only ever arresting people of a certain race, you can suspect he’s a racist - even if they actually did commit the crimes. Having an obsession with Israel, focusing only on them for things done by other countries as well in the same situation, exaggerating what they are doing, and demonising them is antisemitic. The Overton window has shifted so far that you don’t even realise how it would sound if you replaced “Israel” with other countries in your statement. Imagine hearing someone say I’m just “anti-Ireland”. Or I have nothing against Ukrainians, I just think Ukraine shouldn’t exist. If you have genuine criticisms to make about specific people in Israel or specific actions of the Israeli government, and you do so also about many other figures and events internationally, that’s fair. But taking a position of “anti-Israel” in general betrays a prejudice against the only Jewish country that has nothing to do with their actions.
    • manyaoman 4mo ago
      > If you notice a police officer is only ever arresting people of a certain race, you can suspect he’s a racist - even if they actually did commit the crimes. Ridiculous comparison. Police are obligated to act impartially, private individuals are not. Expecting regular people to give every political matter equal attention is absurd.
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• saturn8601 4mo ago
  On the flipside the level of deep love and praise for Bernie Sanders did not translate into an equivilent outcome in real life. (And I say that as a Bernie supporter). Its a hard lesson to learn that there is so much astroturfing in both directions that you have to learn to ignore the noise.
  • jjk166 4mo ago
    I would argue serving 19 years in the US Senate is a far more impressive political accomplishment than being elected mayor of a city, even one as prominent as New York. Bernie has had immense political success, even if his attempt at being nominated for the presidency was narrowly thwarted. Cuomo may have been an insider, but he was a disgraced insider; there's no comparison to the political figures who beat Bernie.
    • saturn8601 4mo ago
      Yes, I would argue that Bernie's excellent career lent him an air of credibility that other politicians just don't have. But the discussion was about whether online popularity translates to real life, and I'd argue that it certainly didn't for the Bernie candidacy at least not enough to win. Online is just another component in the political game. We saw all this nonsense in 2024 yet again. I'm kicking myself for having fallen for all these pollsters, some of which have had an impeccable perfect record for decades and yet still managed to get it wrong this time around.