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I did similar and you summarized the feelings well. It's really sad and hard to rebuild that trust And disheartening that people continue to gravitate to a pol

I did similar and you summarized the feelings well. It's really sad and hard to rebuild that trust And disheartening that people continue to gravitate to a political party that proudly announces desires to abuse this data.

alterom 4mo ago
>And disheartening that people continue to gravitate to a political party that proudly announces desires to abuse this data. The same party that promotes distrust in the government (that is justified by the abuse the same party does when in power). Amazing, innit.
- specialist 4mo ago
  The worse things get, the better they do. It's an insidious, vicious cycle.
  - idiotsecant 4mo ago
    No, this isn't a natural law of the universe. Sometimes thing get worse and then stay bad for a long, long time. We happen to exist in a relatively stable, prosperous period. We have used that prosperity to build a system that is more complex and brittle than any time in the history of the species. It won't be pretty when we reach the inevitable crisis. The people in charge have never seen suffering and don't understand the essential role they have in preventing it. Instead they're disassembling the plane for parts while we hurtle toward the ground.
  - sofixa 4mo ago
    Iran, Haiti, Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Argentina have been at the "worse and worse" stages for decades and there is no "better" in sight.
    - Semaphor 4mo ago
      > Iran, Haiti, Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Argentina have been at the "worse and worse" stages for decades and there is no "better" in sight. Unless I’m completely misunderstanding things, it’s "better for the party". Our new Nazi party in Germany (AfD) even said something like that openly.
      - hang_semaphor_3 4mo ago
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        cindyllm 4mo ago
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    - drysine 4mo ago
      >Russia ... have been at the "worse and worse" stages for decades and there is no "better" in sight What do you mean? In the last 25 years life expectancy in Russia has risen by almost 10 years [0] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.MA.IN?locations=RU https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.MA.IN?locat...
      - sofixa 4mo ago
        The numbers since 2022 are to be taken with a bucket of salt. And it's undeniable that the whole country is falling backwards - the economy is in tatters with high inflation, high interest rates , severe economic and kinetic damage to the main revenue generating activities (export of oil, gas, raw materials, military equipment), a poorly hidden ballooning debt crisis. And worst of all, a leader who cannot admit defeat so can't get the country out of the quagmire. So things will get a whole lot worse before there's any chance of them getting better.
        drysine 4mo ago
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      - sofixa 4mo ago
        Since your other comment got rightfully flagged, I'll respond to you here. The numbers from 2024 are reflective of the complete disappearance of russia from global markets. For instance, there have been no military procurement deals after 2023, only deliveries of previously ordered stuff. The poorly hidden debt crisis is within the regions paying the death and recruitment bonuses, and the military contractors forced to sell at a loss and being propped up by state backed loans (one went bankrupt recently). Neither of those show up on official state debt numbers, but are unquestionably a problem for the state budget to fix. The one where 50% is being wasted to achieve nothing in Ukraine. At the best of times there are a few kilometres here and there, but even that is over now. Ukrainians still unequivocally support keeping the war until russia agrees to leave them the fuck alone, and they get security guarantees (if you think you have polls saying otherwise, look again in the questions and answers, a tiny majority are ready to surrender Eastern Ukraine to end the war now, but practically nobody is willing to do so without guarantees). Those are achievable objectives. On the other side the leadership cannot admit defeat or they'll get toppled, and has no hope of achieving anything they could spin as a victory. So they keep wasting human lives to prolong the inevitable defeat.
  - mcmoor 3mo ago
    This is why I don't trust libertarians in office. They're incentivised to do a bad job.
- smaudet 4mo ago
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  - nandomrumber 4mo ago
    You should never trust a politician, especially one that claims to be on/in the left. These two statements are equally as vacuous.
    - jibal 4mo ago
      No, the first one is true. It's the copycat comment that is vacuous and doesn't even make any sense -- "in the right" has a clear meaning, "in the left" is nonsense.
      - nandomrumber 4mo ago
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    - fc417fc802 4mo ago
      You misunderstood, the meaning was roughly "one who claims his actions to be virtuous".
- clipsy 4mo ago
  The premise of the Republican party for half a century now has been: "The government can't do anything right, and if you elect us we'll prove it!"
  - roenxi 4mo ago
    And it's something of a coin flip whether people prefer that philosophy to the other mob. Trump has made it to a seconds term and is talking about a third because of the stunning policy failures of the US government over the last 50 years.
    - lesuorac 4mo ago
      Were you alive in 2024? Trump won by <1% against an incumbent in a time that incumbents lost by >10%. It's absolutely not that people like Trump, it's just that democrats are inept. Literally all democrats had to do was run somebody that didn't have a record of losing primaries.
      - anjel 4mo ago
        They're not legislatively inept, it's simply that viscerally, the electorate knows both mobs are guilty of the same representational transgressions. The GOP was always the party of big biz, while the dems were fronting as the hoi poloi's party, and everyone kinda figured that out as Trump played that irony and the anger behind it, masterfully. How do you get out from behind that, is what renders them inept.
        moron4hire 4mo ago
        I think the big difference between the Republicans and Democrats is that the R-electorate votes for R-candidates because they want what the R-candidates are promising, while the D-electorare votes for D-candidates because they don't want what the R-candidates candidates are promising. It's one of the reasons why "both sides" arguments are so frustrating. You can find R-voters who will defend Trump all day, in equal numbers to D-voters who will criticize Biden/Harris. You can see it in the number of R-voters you encounter online who think it's a "pwn" to bring up Clinton going to Epstein's Island, while D-voters respond, "yeah, and? Lock him up, too." We don't want these people who lie to us and glad hand for corporations, but it's marginally better than the alternative.
- HenryBemis 4mo ago
  Your comment brought the song lyrics from Murder - Sepultura: ... Same hand that builds, destroys Same hand that relieves, betrays Same hand that seeds, burns Same peace that exists, here lies ... Same religion that saves, damns you! I got no comment on the essence of your comment, but (in your implied meaning), the very last of the song was matching what you wrote.
- throw0101a 4mo ago
  > The same party that promotes distrust in the government (that is justified by the abuse the same party does when in power). Perhaps because they know how corrupt they, themselves, are, they assume everyone else is the same way: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror Perhaps the possibility that others are more altruistic does not enter the realm of possibility in their minds.
uoaei 4mo ago
You're playing party politics. That's the risk you take: that the party has goals beyond your (dareisay naive) utopian ideals for civic engagement. Parties are not universally evil, when I malign them in this way it is in full acknowlegment that organization is the nearly singular path to "effect on target" as regards society-scale politics. What I mean is the party per se becomes a superorganism that has always as its first priority self-preservation (a la homeostasis) and it is very worth remembering this when subsuming oneself into their structure.

alterom 4mo ago

>And disheartening that people continue to gravitate to a political party that proudly announces desires to abuse this data. The same party that promotes distrust in the government (that is justified by the abuse the same party does when in power). Amazing, innit.

specialist 4mo ago
The worse things get, the better they do. It's an insidious, vicious cycle.
- idiotsecant 4mo ago
  No, this isn't a natural law of the universe. Sometimes thing get worse and then stay bad for a long, long time. We happen to exist in a relatively stable, prosperous period. We have used that prosperity to build a system that is more complex and brittle than any time in the history of the species. It won't be pretty when we reach the inevitable crisis. The people in charge have never seen suffering and don't understand the essential role they have in preventing it. Instead they're disassembling the plane for parts while we hurtle toward the ground.
- sofixa 4mo ago
  Iran, Haiti, Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Argentina have been at the "worse and worse" stages for decades and there is no "better" in sight.
  - Semaphor 4mo ago
    > Iran, Haiti, Russia, Syria, Lebanon, Argentina have been at the "worse and worse" stages for decades and there is no "better" in sight. Unless I’m completely misunderstanding things, it’s "better for the party". Our new Nazi party in Germany (AfD) even said something like that openly.
    - hang_semaphor_3 4mo ago
      [flagged]
      - cindyllm 4mo ago
        [dead]
  - drysine 4mo ago
    >Russia ... have been at the "worse and worse" stages for decades and there is no "better" in sight What do you mean? In the last 25 years life expectancy in Russia has risen by almost 10 years [0] https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.MA.IN?locations=RU https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.MA.IN?locat...
    - sofixa 4mo ago
      The numbers since 2022 are to be taken with a bucket of salt. And it's undeniable that the whole country is falling backwards - the economy is in tatters with high inflation, high interest rates , severe economic and kinetic damage to the main revenue generating activities (export of oil, gas, raw materials, military equipment), a poorly hidden ballooning debt crisis. And worst of all, a leader who cannot admit defeat so can't get the country out of the quagmire. So things will get a whole lot worse before there's any chance of them getting better.
      - drysine 4mo ago
        [dead]
    - sofixa 4mo ago
      Since your other comment got rightfully flagged, I'll respond to you here. The numbers from 2024 are reflective of the complete disappearance of russia from global markets. For instance, there have been no military procurement deals after 2023, only deliveries of previously ordered stuff. The poorly hidden debt crisis is within the regions paying the death and recruitment bonuses, and the military contractors forced to sell at a loss and being propped up by state backed loans (one went bankrupt recently). Neither of those show up on official state debt numbers, but are unquestionably a problem for the state budget to fix. The one where 50% is being wasted to achieve nothing in Ukraine. At the best of times there are a few kilometres here and there, but even that is over now. Ukrainians still unequivocally support keeping the war until russia agrees to leave them the fuck alone, and they get security guarantees (if you think you have polls saying otherwise, look again in the questions and answers, a tiny majority are ready to surrender Eastern Ukraine to end the war now, but practically nobody is willing to do so without guarantees). Those are achievable objectives. On the other side the leadership cannot admit defeat or they'll get toppled, and has no hope of achieving anything they could spin as a victory. So they keep wasting human lives to prolong the inevitable defeat.
- mcmoor 3mo ago
  This is why I don't trust libertarians in office. They're incentivised to do a bad job.
smaudet 4mo ago
[flagged]
- nandomrumber 4mo ago
  You should never trust a politician, especially one that claims to be on/in the left. These two statements are equally as vacuous.
  - jibal 4mo ago
    No, the first one is true. It's the copycat comment that is vacuous and doesn't even make any sense -- "in the right" has a clear meaning, "in the left" is nonsense.
    - nandomrumber 4mo ago
      [dead]
  - fc417fc802 4mo ago
    You misunderstood, the meaning was roughly "one who claims his actions to be virtuous".
clipsy 4mo ago
The premise of the Republican party for half a century now has been: "The government can't do anything right, and if you elect us we'll prove it!"
- roenxi 4mo ago
  And it's something of a coin flip whether people prefer that philosophy to the other mob. Trump has made it to a seconds term and is talking about a third because of the stunning policy failures of the US government over the last 50 years.
  - lesuorac 4mo ago
    Were you alive in 2024? Trump won by <1% against an incumbent in a time that incumbents lost by >10%. It's absolutely not that people like Trump, it's just that democrats are inept. Literally all democrats had to do was run somebody that didn't have a record of losing primaries.
    - anjel 4mo ago
      They're not legislatively inept, it's simply that viscerally, the electorate knows both mobs are guilty of the same representational transgressions. The GOP was always the party of big biz, while the dems were fronting as the hoi poloi's party, and everyone kinda figured that out as Trump played that irony and the anger behind it, masterfully. How do you get out from behind that, is what renders them inept.
      - moron4hire 4mo ago
        I think the big difference between the Republicans and Democrats is that the R-electorate votes for R-candidates because they want what the R-candidates are promising, while the D-electorare votes for D-candidates because they don't want what the R-candidates candidates are promising. It's one of the reasons why "both sides" arguments are so frustrating. You can find R-voters who will defend Trump all day, in equal numbers to D-voters who will criticize Biden/Harris. You can see it in the number of R-voters you encounter online who think it's a "pwn" to bring up Clinton going to Epstein's Island, while D-voters respond, "yeah, and? Lock him up, too." We don't want these people who lie to us and glad hand for corporations, but it's marginally better than the alternative.
HenryBemis 4mo ago
Your comment brought the song lyrics from Murder - Sepultura: ... Same hand that builds, destroys Same hand that relieves, betrays Same hand that seeds, burns Same peace that exists, here lies ... Same religion that saves, damns you! I got no comment on the essence of your comment, but (in your implied meaning), the very last of the song was matching what you wrote.
throw0101a 4mo ago
> The same party that promotes distrust in the government (that is justified by the abuse the same party does when in power). Perhaps because they know how corrupt they, themselves, are, they assume everyone else is the same way: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusation_in_a_mirror Perhaps the possibility that others are more altruistic does not enter the realm of possibility in their minds.

uoaei 4mo ago

You're playing party politics. That's the risk you take: that the party has goals beyond your (dareisay naive) utopian ideals for civic engagement. Parties are not universally evil, when I malign them in this way it is in full acknowlegment that organization is the nearly singular path to "effect on target" as regards society-scale politics. What I mean is the party per se becomes a superorganism that has always as its first priority self-preservation (a la homeostasis) and it is very worth remembering this when subsuming oneself into their structure.