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Its not Fable 5 that overstepped in the eyes of the US government. It's Anthropic. This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little o

by vrganj 5mo ago

Its not Fable 5 that overstepped in the eyes of the US government. It's Anthropic. This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes.

logicchains 5mo ago
>This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes. Don't be so pessimistic, maybe they're just trying to give their buddy Musk and XAi a chance to catch up.
- Topfi 5mo ago
  Anthropic is one of the two consistent revenue sources for XAI via their colossus deal. I have been critical of this man longer than most, but I don’t see him hurting his own bottom line.
  - no-name-here 5mo ago
    It could be the Trump admin incompetently attempting to help Trump’s primary benefactor? (As I haven’t yet seen anyone say that the current actions are a competent approach to AI regulation.)
  - vanviegen 5mo ago
    He seems to have gone out of his way too alienate just about any demographic likely to buy an EV...
Cider9986 5mo ago
>This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes. Anthropic wasn't pushing back on enabling war crimes. They said they didn't want the models to work with autonomous weapons because the the models weren't good enough.
- dandellion 5mo ago
  Whether you or me or Anthropic think it was pushing back or not is besides the point.
  - Cider9986 5mo ago
    I can agree on revenge, but it's important to not paint it as a good vs evil when it isn't.
- deleted 5mo ago
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- alpinisme 5mo ago
  Arguably it’s a worse (or different) war crime to knowingly target people incompetently and thus kill more innocent civilians. In this respect, they showed themselves against one war crime. Not “war crimes” in general but a specific misuse of ai in war.
- inigyou 5mo ago
  That's pushing back. The regime doesn't care if the models are good enough, they want the optics of killing lots of people using cutting edge tech, they don't really care if it's the right people.
TiredOfLife 5mo ago
Antropic models are the ones that designated that school as valid target
- thrill 5mo ago
  People designated that school as a valid target - using fancy calculators does not remove that the pass/fail rests with people. AI models have no agency. Even if they are given autonomy - it is given.
- no-name-here 5mo ago
  What is the basis for that claim? There’s been lots of wild conjecture, but as The Guardian reported, “Almost none of this had any relationship to reality” and “LLMs-gone-rogue dominated coverage, but had nothing to do with the targeting.” https://www.theguardian.com/news/2026/mar/26/ai-got-the-blame-for-the-iran-school-bombing-the-truth-is-far-more-worrying https://www.theguardian.com/news/2026/mar/26/ai-got-the-blam...
- flawn 5mo ago
  That's wild misinformation. There was an outdated military database at play, and not just Claude. It doesn't exclude AI interference of course but your statement is just not correct.
skybrian 5mo ago
Why not both?
Art9681 5mo ago
It's the AWS CEO being a little snitch to gain favor from the Government. That is what this is about.
- deleted 5mo ago
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noelsusman 5mo ago
Anthropic is perfectly fine with the US government using Claude to commit war crimes. The US military has done hundreds of extra-judicial killings in the waters around South America over the last year and Anthropic hasn't had anything to say about that.
- felixgallo 5mo ago
  Use nuance and judgement, friend. Anthropic notably pushed back on completely autonomous no-human-in-the-loop drone killings and mass surveillance of the US population, where others like OpenAI scrambled to agree. Anthropic isn't perfect but that doesn't make them equally bad.
  - firesteelrain 5mo ago
    Trust no one, friend. Believe what you want to believe.
  - noelsusman 5mo ago
    I didn't say or even imply that OpenAI and Anthropic are equally bad on this front. It's just not accurate to say Anthropic has issues with the US military using Claude to commit war crimes. They don't.
    - felixgallo 5mo ago
      They literally do -- see above, where the red line they refused to cross involved fully autonomous kill bots (which would be a war crime), and for which they were branded a supply chain risk, thrown out of Pentagon contracts, and now enjoined from releasing their product. You can not like that Claude was involved in the planning that led to the murder of a bunch of schoolgirls, but stop playing pretend.
      - noelsusman 5mo ago
        It's just a fact that Claude has already been used to commit war crimes and Anthropic has had zero issue with it. I don't know what else there is to say about it. Also, not that it really matters but building a fully autonomous kill bot is not actually a war crime.
zerd 5mo ago
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Spooky23 5mo ago
Clarification: They want someone who isn’t them to make the decision to commit the war crime. They are happy to facilitate.

by vrganj 5mo ago

Its not Fable 5 that overstepped in the eyes of the US government. It's Anthropic. This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes.

logicchains 5mo ago

>This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes. Don't be so pessimistic, maybe they're just trying to give their buddy Musk and XAi a chance to catch up.

Topfi 5mo ago
Anthropic is one of the two consistent revenue sources for XAI via their colossus deal. I have been critical of this man longer than most, but I don’t see him hurting his own bottom line.
- no-name-here 5mo ago
  It could be the Trump admin incompetently attempting to help Trump’s primary benefactor? (As I haven’t yet seen anyone say that the current actions are a competent approach to AI regulation.)
- vanviegen 5mo ago
  He seems to have gone out of his way too alienate just about any demographic likely to buy an EV...

Cider9986 5mo ago

>This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes. Anthropic wasn't pushing back on enabling war crimes. They said they didn't want the models to work with autonomous weapons because the the models weren't good enough.

dandellion 5mo ago
Whether you or me or Anthropic think it was pushing back or not is besides the point.
- Cider9986 5mo ago
  I can agree on revenge, but it's important to not paint it as a good vs evil when it isn't.
deleted 5mo ago
[deleted]
alpinisme 5mo ago
Arguably it’s a worse (or different) war crime to knowingly target people incompetently and thus kill more innocent civilians. In this respect, they showed themselves against one war crime. Not “war crimes” in general but a specific misuse of ai in war.
inigyou 5mo ago
That's pushing back. The regime doesn't care if the models are good enough, they want the optics of killing lots of people using cutting edge tech, they don't really care if it's the right people.

TiredOfLife 5mo ago

Antropic models are the ones that designated that school as valid target

thrill 5mo ago
People designated that school as a valid target - using fancy calculators does not remove that the pass/fail rests with people. AI models have no agency. Even if they are given autonomy - it is given.
no-name-here 5mo ago
What is the basis for that claim? There’s been lots of wild conjecture, but as The Guardian reported, “Almost none of this had any relationship to reality” and “LLMs-gone-rogue dominated coverage, but had nothing to do with the targeting.” https://www.theguardian.com/news/2026/mar/26/ai-got-the-blame-for-the-iran-school-bombing-the-truth-is-far-more-worrying https://www.theguardian.com/news/2026/mar/26/ai-got-the-blam...
flawn 5mo ago
That's wild misinformation. There was an outdated military database at play, and not just Claude. It doesn't exclude AI interference of course but your statement is just not correct.

skybrian 5mo ago

Why not both?

Art9681 5mo ago

It's the AWS CEO being a little snitch to gain favor from the Government. That is what this is about.

deleted 5mo ago
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noelsusman 5mo ago

Anthropic is perfectly fine with the US government using Claude to commit war crimes. The US military has done hundreds of extra-judicial killings in the waters around South America over the last year and Anthropic hasn't had anything to say about that.

felixgallo 5mo ago
Use nuance and judgement, friend. Anthropic notably pushed back on completely autonomous no-human-in-the-loop drone killings and mass surveillance of the US population, where others like OpenAI scrambled to agree. Anthropic isn't perfect but that doesn't make them equally bad.
- firesteelrain 5mo ago
  Trust no one, friend. Believe what you want to believe.
- noelsusman 5mo ago
  I didn't say or even imply that OpenAI and Anthropic are equally bad on this front. It's just not accurate to say Anthropic has issues with the US military using Claude to commit war crimes. They don't.
  - felixgallo 5mo ago
    They literally do -- see above, where the red line they refused to cross involved fully autonomous kill bots (which would be a war crime), and for which they were branded a supply chain risk, thrown out of Pentagon contracts, and now enjoined from releasing their product. You can not like that Claude was involved in the planning that led to the murder of a bunch of schoolgirls, but stop playing pretend.
    - noelsusman 5mo ago
      It's just a fact that Claude has already been used to commit war crimes and Anthropic has had zero issue with it. I don't know what else there is to say about it. Also, not that it really matters but building a fully autonomous kill bot is not actually a war crime.

zerd 5mo ago

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Spooky23 5mo ago

Clarification: They want someone who isn’t them to make the decision to commit the war crime. They are happy to facilitate.