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The Nazis did a ton of cutting edge research too.
by ai_fry_ur_brain 4mo ago
The Nazis did a ton of cutting edge research too.
- bluealienpie 4mo agoThey also committed genocide as well. Surprising that even after Israeli human rights organizations acknowledge it, it still remains stuck in the mind of capitalists to support profit at any cost.
- pipes 4mo ago[flagged]
- ai_fry_ur_brain 4mo agoNational Socialists were capitalists.. You known that right? Not everything with socialsts in the name begets communism, they served Industry and Capital to the fullest and sought to crush any leftist cause. https://jacobin.com/2022/08/nazi-germany-national-socialism-hypercaptialism-social-darwinism-liberalism https://jacobin.com/2022/08/nazi-germany-national-socialism-...
- brightball 4mo agoHitler explicitly adopted socialist & anti-capitalist rhetoric early on had heavy state control of industry and price controls in place. Political extremist always pander to control the people who will listen to them, selling lies at worst or at best hope that depends on a lack of understanding of human behavior and economics to follow things to their natural conclusions. Nazis, Socialists, Marxists, and Communists are all authoritarian extremist who share the same values.
- ai_fry_ur_brain 4mo agoThe same as Israelis.
- MSFT_Edging 4mo agoThis person is either willfully ignorant, or an actual fascist attempting to blur the line. This exact line of thought has been used for decades to subvert the actual history of the Nazi party and their co-operation with corporations, undermining of labor unions, assault on socialist groups via their brown shirts, etc. This is a fascist talking point. It doesn't matter where the user possibly derived it from. The "National Socialist" party was explicitly anti-socialist. Their talking points explicitly refuted class boundaries, and enforced "cultural" boundaries, to create the scapegoat of the Jews as the primary cause for societal turmoil. Do not take this user seriously. Do not allow yourself to get into the weeds, they will not take any real discussion seriously. They are acting in bad faith.
- pipes 4mo agoThat is a lot of assumptions and personal attacks based on a question that you haven't answered. The soviets also actively clamped down on unions, were they not socialists either? Edit: I'll let someone else make the point for me: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/4kg34a/comment/d3expxo/?screen_view_count=1 https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/4kg34a/comme...
- MSFT_Edging 4mo ago“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” - Jean-Paul Sartre
- pipes 4mo agoAre you calling me an anti Semite? Or am I missing the point you are making entirely?
- jjgreen 4mo agoInteresting question. Trotsky argued that the Nazis were essentially a middle-class phenomena, the forces of capital and labour being weakened to naught by the first world war; once the Nazis achieved power, they had to decide between them, that choice being made on the night of the long knives and the liquidation of the brownshirts.
- Matl 4mo agoAnyone can name themselves anything. Would you say that the Democratic Republic of the Congo is indeed democratic? I am going to guess not. 'Socialism' was rather popular in the early part of the 20th century and National Socialism was a right wing response to that, hence the marketing name. It was very much corporatist/pro capitalist in its policies and suppressed anything remotely socialist within its borders. But I suspect you knew that.
- pipes 4mo agoIt was also attempting a to create a centrally planned economy that would provide for all the populations needs and eliminate the concept of class. Which to me is socialism.
- watwut 4mo agoDid they? Like, which exactly?
- pipes 4mo agoRockets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun He later worked at NASA.
- RobotToaster 4mo agoDon't say that he's hypocritical Say rather that he's apolitical "Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down? That's not my department!" says Wernher von Braun
- hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 4mo agoThis is fantastic. This is what I'm going to say next time I work on military tech.
- FeteCommuniste 4mo agoIt's from the old Tom Lehrer song, "Wernher von Braun."
- RobotToaster 4mo agoI've never seen someone take it as a suggestion before.
- jyounker 4mo agoSome have harsh words for this man of renown But some think our attitude Should be one of gratitude Like the widows and cripples in old London town Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun.
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