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I'm surprised how much of the discussion here is taking the angle of "Anthropic pretended this model was soooo dangerous for months as marketing, and it seems l

by Nition 4mo ago

I'm surprised how much of the discussion here is taking the angle of "Anthropic pretended this model was soooo dangerous for months as marketing, and it seems like someone decided to believe them!" First, Anthropic was founded by people who we know were worried about AI safety and signs point to that still being the case. It's really cynical to say it was all an exaggeration for marketing. Second, this isn't Moller promising a fantastic working flying car next year. The model did what Anthropic said it could do. I realise that ruling out "they bought Anthropic's scaremongering" brings up the question of why the government would block Mythos/Fable, but not the roughly-as-capable and less restricted GPT5.5. However we do know for a fact that they dislike Anthropic more than OpenAI right now.

blazespin 4mo ago
There are a lot of dangerous things in the world and surprisingly a lot of people can avoid the constant stream of chicken little nonsense. If everyone expended the same amount of marketing effort trying to scare the ** out of everyone that Anthropic does, it'd be a very miserable world to live in. We are unfortunately a captured audience and the autistic people at Anthropic are abusing this.
- solenoid0937 4mo ago
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  - catlifeonmars 4mo ago
    Eh, I think you’ll hit diminishing marginal returns over what the SOTA - 1 versions already enable in the hands of motivated professionals. That ship has already sailed.
- lachtan 4mo ago
  I largely agree, but I have to call out your using "autistic" as in insult - please don't, there's a wide array of other options to choose from.
orphea 4mo ago
Anthropic was founded by people who we know were worried about AI safety Lol. It was founded by people who were saying they were worried. I'm sorry you fell for it. Anthropic is just another company of, in my opinion, money-hungry sociopaths; they are not that different from the OpenAI bros. So yeah, play stupid games - win stupid prizes.
- blazespin 4mo ago
  Executive staff seems money-hungry for sure (note the lack of non profit that OpenAI has) I would say they have researchers with self-important god complexes that makes them think they know better than everyone else.
  - solenoid0937 4mo ago
    Read about the LTBT/PBC structure. Anthropic is not accountable to its investors. If they were money hungry they wouldn't have fought the DOW. Everyone knows that's a retarded thing for a business to do.
    - AFF87 4mo ago
      Not necessarily. You know what your competitors are likely to do and you want to position yourself differently
    - andriy_koval 4mo ago
      > If they were money hungry they wouldn't have fought the DOW I think it could be reputation management exercises. Especially how it was aligned with airstrike on Iranian girls elementary school and statements that Claude were picking targets.
basisword 4mo ago
The idea that the government introduced export controls on it because they "fell for the marketing" is stupid. It's much more likely they're being vindictive. There's plenty of evidence that that's how the current government acts.
- datsci_est_2015 4mo ago
  Little bit of column a, little bit of column b. A lot of the actions of the current USG seem to occur at the intersection of shared interests but different motivations, consider that: - apocalypse-cult evangelicals (Mike Johnson types) - secular RE development globalists (Kushner types) - white supremacist / eugenicist weirdos (Stephen Miller types) - SV / tech billionaire stooges (Vance types) - media / propaganda old guard (Koch, Murdoch, Heritage) - Morally bankrupt grifters / influencers (too many to mention) all seem to somehow be under the same tent right now. Luckily for us, history points towards such unlikely alliances as being fragile and short-lived. Unluckily, when such alliances have gained power they usually don’t let it go without making sure lots of people suffer first. Edit: I call it an unlikely alliance because there are represented many reactionary accelerationists who all have a different vision of what America should look like after the revolution.
_heimdall 4mo ago
I don't see any reason we should put weight behind their supposed fears today though. It's completely irrational to build the very thing you think could seriously harm or kill us all. Yes they may have had those fears before, but even then it didn't stop them from building companies and running full speed towards the end goal with little to no effort spent on meaningful safety efforts.
elAhmo 4mo ago
> The model did what Anthropic said it could do. How come? Where are all of those security patches and critical bugs that would’ve broken all software if it was unleashed?
- port11 4mo ago
  It was used on Firefox’s codebase to find a ton of bugs? https://blog.mozilla.org/en/privacy-security/ai-security-zero-day-vulnerabilities/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/privacy-security/ai-security-zer...
- margalabargala 4mo ago
  There have been a steady stream of articles about exactly this over the past few weeks. Yesterday there was one about 5 zero-days in ffmpeg. Another commenter mentioned the fixes done to Firefox. If you put a minor effort into looking for news about Mythos making security patches and fixing critical bugs in important projects recently, you will find them.
animanoir 4mo ago
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joshuastuden 4mo ago
Signs point to them not caring.
Stevvo 4mo ago
People are giving Anthropic the benefit of doubt. If they believe their own bullshit, the situation is far worse.

by Nition 4mo ago

blazespin 4mo ago

There are a lot of dangerous things in the world and surprisingly a lot of people can avoid the constant stream of chicken little nonsense. If everyone expended the same amount of marketing effort trying to scare the ** out of everyone that Anthropic does, it'd be a very miserable world to live in. We are unfortunately a captured audience and the autistic people at Anthropic are abusing this.

solenoid0937 4mo ago
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- catlifeonmars 4mo ago
  Eh, I think you’ll hit diminishing marginal returns over what the SOTA - 1 versions already enable in the hands of motivated professionals. That ship has already sailed.
lachtan 4mo ago
I largely agree, but I have to call out your using "autistic" as in insult - please don't, there's a wide array of other options to choose from.

orphea 4mo ago

Anthropic was founded by people who we know were worried about AI safety Lol. It was founded by people who were saying they were worried. I'm sorry you fell for it. Anthropic is just another company of, in my opinion, money-hungry sociopaths; they are not that different from the OpenAI bros. So yeah, play stupid games - win stupid prizes.

blazespin 4mo ago
Executive staff seems money-hungry for sure (note the lack of non profit that OpenAI has) I would say they have researchers with self-important god complexes that makes them think they know better than everyone else.
- solenoid0937 4mo ago
  Read about the LTBT/PBC structure. Anthropic is not accountable to its investors. If they were money hungry they wouldn't have fought the DOW. Everyone knows that's a retarded thing for a business to do.
  - AFF87 4mo ago
    Not necessarily. You know what your competitors are likely to do and you want to position yourself differently
  - andriy_koval 4mo ago
    > If they were money hungry they wouldn't have fought the DOW I think it could be reputation management exercises. Especially how it was aligned with airstrike on Iranian girls elementary school and statements that Claude were picking targets.

basisword 4mo ago

The idea that the government introduced export controls on it because they "fell for the marketing" is stupid. It's much more likely they're being vindictive. There's plenty of evidence that that's how the current government acts.

datsci_est_2015 4mo ago
Little bit of column a, little bit of column b. A lot of the actions of the current USG seem to occur at the intersection of shared interests but different motivations, consider that: - apocalypse-cult evangelicals (Mike Johnson types) - secular RE development globalists (Kushner types) - white supremacist / eugenicist weirdos (Stephen Miller types) - SV / tech billionaire stooges (Vance types) - media / propaganda old guard (Koch, Murdoch, Heritage) - Morally bankrupt grifters / influencers (too many to mention) all seem to somehow be under the same tent right now. Luckily for us, history points towards such unlikely alliances as being fragile and short-lived. Unluckily, when such alliances have gained power they usually don’t let it go without making sure lots of people suffer first. Edit: I call it an unlikely alliance because there are represented many reactionary accelerationists who all have a different vision of what America should look like after the revolution.

_heimdall 4mo ago

I don't see any reason we should put weight behind their supposed fears today though. It's completely irrational to build the very thing you think could seriously harm or kill us all. Yes they may have had those fears before, but even then it didn't stop them from building companies and running full speed towards the end goal with little to no effort spent on meaningful safety efforts.

elAhmo 4mo ago

> The model did what Anthropic said it could do. How come? Where are all of those security patches and critical bugs that would’ve broken all software if it was unleashed?

port11 4mo ago
It was used on Firefox’s codebase to find a ton of bugs? https://blog.mozilla.org/en/privacy-security/ai-security-zero-day-vulnerabilities/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/privacy-security/ai-security-zer...
margalabargala 4mo ago
There have been a steady stream of articles about exactly this over the past few weeks. Yesterday there was one about 5 zero-days in ffmpeg. Another commenter mentioned the fixes done to Firefox. If you put a minor effort into looking for news about Mythos making security patches and fixing critical bugs in important projects recently, you will find them.

animanoir 4mo ago

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joshuastuden 4mo ago

Signs point to them not caring.

Stevvo 4mo ago

People are giving Anthropic the benefit of doubt. If they believe their own bullshit, the situation is far worse.