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Safety handwringing? Mythos found 1000 zero days in a few weeks - if I had asked your thoughts on this a few years ago, I'm sure it would've been "that is a su

Safety handwringing? Mythos found 1000 zero days in a few weeks - if I had asked your thoughts on this a few years ago, I'm sure it would've been "that is a super-weapon". Plus, scaling laws are impossible to deny: More compute = more intelligence. AI is going to completely redefine the role of human cognitive ability - if you think this is about "state monopoly", you're really thinking too small.

rustcleaner 4mo ago
I want that intelligence in my living room working for me. I do not think Dario, Altman, or the state should get a monopoly on it.
- simianwords 4mo ago
  Ok but you can’t hand wave safety concerns. I agree that they shouldn’t get monopoly over it but what if AI is strong enough to synthesise weapons and help in cyber security? What’s your answer to it? There are other people who have thought of it and it’s not that simple.
  - rustcleaner 4mo ago
    >Ok but you can’t hand wave safety concerns Sure I can! *waves* Thank goodness we have the First Amendment [here in America] and I can just go to a library to find books with that info anyway.
    - DonHopkins 4mo ago
      You're the self proclaimed Man Going Your Own Way. rustcleaner> I was an early bird in MGTOW, but now it's common knowledge and operating strategy for most young men. So how's that book of racist poetry you're writing going? Has it impressed the ladies and helped with your incelibacy problem?
- baq 4mo ago
  yeah but they don't want you to and it isn't Dario and sama I've got in mind when I say they.
- DonHopkins 4mo ago
  Yes, you've already told us you're the one who wants to make racist poetry.
boppo1 4mo ago
Yes, I want that 'super weapon' in everyone's hands. Better than the hands of a few. Same thing as literacy. I believe in the power of the do-gooders to overwhelm the do-badders.
- temporaryacc2 4mo ago
  Americans be like
  - jbxntuehineoh 4mo ago
    how dare the government infringe my right to possess privately-owned McNukes
- solenoid0937 4mo ago
  This is the worst possible take. Responsible disclosure shouldn't be a thing? Defenders shouldn't have the chance to frontrun?
  - rsync 4mo ago
    I disagree. See above where I frame this as a classical arms race and the equilibria (stalemate) between white/black hats is a very safe and stable place to be. You and I don't get to choose who the white hats are and those actors could change dramatically as US administrations change, etc. It's better to rapidly reestablish a new stalemate ... and I say that as someone who has spent the last six months rapidly triaging vulnerabilities and newly discovered attack surface in an attempt to safeguard the livelihoods of everyone who depends on my business.
rsync 4mo ago
"Mythos found 1000 zero days in a few weeks - if I had asked your thoughts on this a few years ago, I'm sure it would've been "that is a super-weapon"." No, my take would have been that a very strong new move had been made in a long-standing, classical arms race. Since I rather like stable equilibria in areas like this, my thoughts would have been that white hats need to catch up immediately to reestablish the stalemate ... which was probably the course we were on, prior to today.

rustcleaner 4mo ago

I want that intelligence in my living room working for me. I do not think Dario, Altman, or the state should get a monopoly on it.

simianwords 4mo ago
Ok but you can’t hand wave safety concerns. I agree that they shouldn’t get monopoly over it but what if AI is strong enough to synthesise weapons and help in cyber security? What’s your answer to it? There are other people who have thought of it and it’s not that simple.
- rustcleaner 4mo ago
  >Ok but you can’t hand wave safety concerns Sure I can! *waves* Thank goodness we have the First Amendment [here in America] and I can just go to a library to find books with that info anyway.
  - DonHopkins 4mo ago
    You're the self proclaimed Man Going Your Own Way. rustcleaner> I was an early bird in MGTOW, but now it's common knowledge and operating strategy for most young men. So how's that book of racist poetry you're writing going? Has it impressed the ladies and helped with your incelibacy problem?
baq 4mo ago
yeah but they don't want you to and it isn't Dario and sama I've got in mind when I say they.
DonHopkins 4mo ago
Yes, you've already told us you're the one who wants to make racist poetry.

boppo1 4mo ago

Yes, I want that 'super weapon' in everyone's hands. Better than the hands of a few. Same thing as literacy. I believe in the power of the do-gooders to overwhelm the do-badders.

temporaryacc2 4mo ago
Americans be like
- jbxntuehineoh 4mo ago
  how dare the government infringe my right to possess privately-owned McNukes
solenoid0937 4mo ago
This is the worst possible take. Responsible disclosure shouldn't be a thing? Defenders shouldn't have the chance to frontrun?
- rsync 4mo ago
  I disagree. See above where I frame this as a classical arms race and the equilibria (stalemate) between white/black hats is a very safe and stable place to be. You and I don't get to choose who the white hats are and those actors could change dramatically as US administrations change, etc. It's better to rapidly reestablish a new stalemate ... and I say that as someone who has spent the last six months rapidly triaging vulnerabilities and newly discovered attack surface in an attempt to safeguard the livelihoods of everyone who depends on my business.

rsync 4mo ago

"Mythos found 1000 zero days in a few weeks - if I had asked your thoughts on this a few years ago, I'm sure it would've been "that is a super-weapon"." No, my take would have been that a very strong new move had been made in a long-standing, classical arms race. Since I rather like stable equilibria in areas like this, my thoughts would have been that white hats need to catch up immediately to reestablish the stalemate ... which was probably the course we were on, prior to today.