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It does matter. Drawing a stick figure and having a machine print over it with a realistic image doesn't make you an artist, and no, you shouldn't be proud of i

It does matter. Drawing a stick figure and having a machine print over it with a realistic image doesn't make you an artist, and no, you shouldn't be proud of it.

senordevnyc 4mo ago
Or we could, you know, let people feel proud of whatever they want?
- mostlysimilar 4mo ago
  Call me old fashioned but I take pride in things I work hard to achieve. I think it's embarrassing to be proud of AI output of any kind, be it software or art or writing.
  - rpdillon 4mo ago
    But you're acting like everything that you use AI to build is easy to achieve, and that doesn't seem to be true.
  - acheron 4mo ago
    Hope all your programs are written in machine code. Wouldn’t want to be proud of compiler output.
    - mostlysimilar 4mo ago
      I mean yeah? Wouldn't you be more proud of your ability to write a program in machine code than you would in assembly? Or more proud of assembly than of C? Or more proud of C than of Python? Each stage takes greater effort, effort which creates skill. Those hard-earned skills are accomplishments to be proud of.
    - bigstrat2003 4mo ago
      When LLMs are remotely comparable to compilers, your analogy might hold water. But in the world of today, it holds none.
  - senordevnyc 4mo ago
    And I’m sure ctoth’s non-coder friends will be just devastated to hear that some random online account is embarrassed because they’re proud of a little app they created for fun.
- jplusequalt 4mo ago
  Sure, you can feel proud of whatever you wish. But don't share that shit with others and expect them to feel similarly proud of what you did.
  - senordevnyc 4mo ago
    lol, you’re literally talking about non-coders that GGGP said they know. No one is sharing their AI stuff here asking you to be impressed.
    - bigstrat2003 4mo ago
      > No one is sharing their AI stuff here asking you to be impressed. That actually happens all the time on Show HN these days.
john_strinlai 4mo ago
is there a list somewhere that i can check what i am allowed to be proud of and what i am not allowed to be proud of? edit: if anyone wants to enlighten me, why do you care if someone is proud of something? does it hurt you somehow?
- mostlysimilar 4mo ago
  No, but come on. If you insert a computer into your brain and wake up tomorrow speaking German, would you be proud you could speak German? Wouldn't you rather work diligently to learn the language and be proud of that effort?
  - john_strinlai 4mo ago
    would i? no. would i care if someone else is proud in that scenario? also no.
    - mostlysimilar 4mo ago
      Alright, we’re each entitled to our opinions on the matter.
  - QuantumNomad_ 4mo ago
    Depends on why the person is wanting to be able to speak German. If you only want to speak German for its own sake, then maybe it does seem silly to be proud of what the brain computer did for you. But there are many other reasons to want to be able to speak German. Thanks to his brain computer, a French cheese maker could travel to Germany to promote his cheeses in a new market to great success without having to rely on the German speaking skills of expensive to hire people, and without wasting years to learn German on his own when all he wanted to do was to make cheeses and grow his customer base for his cheese. German in and of itself was never a goal to him. Just like computer programming is not a goal in and of itself to a lot of people, and who would otherwise have to spend time to learn programming instead of doing the thing they want to do, or having to hire software engineers that might cost more than they could ever hope to afford. And even though the computer is doing something for the person, they are leveraging that for something that they feel pride and accomplishment in. Such as for example to use German (done by the computer) to expand your cheese customer base into Germany (your own accomplishment that was only possible thanks to the existence of the German speaking skills of the computer).

It does matter. Drawing a stick figure and having a machine print over it with a realistic image doesn't make you an artist, and no, you shouldn't be proud of it.

senordevnyc 4mo ago

Or we could, you know, let people feel proud of whatever they want?

mostlysimilar 4mo ago
Call me old fashioned but I take pride in things I work hard to achieve. I think it's embarrassing to be proud of AI output of any kind, be it software or art or writing.
- rpdillon 4mo ago
  But you're acting like everything that you use AI to build is easy to achieve, and that doesn't seem to be true.
- acheron 4mo ago
  Hope all your programs are written in machine code. Wouldn’t want to be proud of compiler output.
  - mostlysimilar 4mo ago
    I mean yeah? Wouldn't you be more proud of your ability to write a program in machine code than you would in assembly? Or more proud of assembly than of C? Or more proud of C than of Python? Each stage takes greater effort, effort which creates skill. Those hard-earned skills are accomplishments to be proud of.
  - bigstrat2003 4mo ago
    When LLMs are remotely comparable to compilers, your analogy might hold water. But in the world of today, it holds none.
- senordevnyc 4mo ago
  And I’m sure ctoth’s non-coder friends will be just devastated to hear that some random online account is embarrassed because they’re proud of a little app they created for fun.
jplusequalt 4mo ago
Sure, you can feel proud of whatever you wish. But don't share that shit with others and expect them to feel similarly proud of what you did.
- senordevnyc 4mo ago
  lol, you’re literally talking about non-coders that GGGP said they know. No one is sharing their AI stuff here asking you to be impressed.
  - bigstrat2003 4mo ago
    > No one is sharing their AI stuff here asking you to be impressed. That actually happens all the time on Show HN these days.

john_strinlai 4mo ago

is there a list somewhere that i can check what i am allowed to be proud of and what i am not allowed to be proud of? edit: if anyone wants to enlighten me, why do you care if someone is proud of something? does it hurt you somehow?

mostlysimilar 4mo ago
No, but come on. If you insert a computer into your brain and wake up tomorrow speaking German, would you be proud you could speak German? Wouldn't you rather work diligently to learn the language and be proud of that effort?
- john_strinlai 4mo ago
  would i? no. would i care if someone else is proud in that scenario? also no.
  - mostlysimilar 4mo ago
    Alright, we’re each entitled to our opinions on the matter.
- QuantumNomad_ 4mo ago
  Depends on why the person is wanting to be able to speak German. If you only want to speak German for its own sake, then maybe it does seem silly to be proud of what the brain computer did for you. But there are many other reasons to want to be able to speak German. Thanks to his brain computer, a French cheese maker could travel to Germany to promote his cheeses in a new market to great success without having to rely on the German speaking skills of expensive to hire people, and without wasting years to learn German on his own when all he wanted to do was to make cheeses and grow his customer base for his cheese. German in and of itself was never a goal to him. Just like computer programming is not a goal in and of itself to a lot of people, and who would otherwise have to spend time to learn programming instead of doing the thing they want to do, or having to hire software engineers that might cost more than they could ever hope to afford. And even though the computer is doing something for the person, they are leveraging that for something that they feel pride and accomplishment in. Such as for example to use German (done by the computer) to expand your cheese customer base into Germany (your own accomplishment that was only possible thanks to the existence of the German speaking skills of the computer).