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Might make sense, in California's driver handbook you're required to pull into the bike lane to make a turn if the bike lane is there. Part of that programming

Might make sense, in California's driver handbook you're required to pull into the bike lane to make a turn if the bike lane is there. Part of that programming should have already existed given where Teslas were made.

stefan_ 4mo ago
This is a lane only for bikes, with no car lane going the same direction. It's like turning onto train tracks (and if you keep going down it, you might well be stuck).
Veserv 4mo ago
No, as can be clearly seen from the video, it is doing a right turn onto a road where the only lane is a full-size lane with a sign indicating that cars are not allowed to use that road in that direction.
seanclayton 4mo ago
Makes sense to use software modeled on California laws in software made for Denmark's laws for sure.
runarberg 4mo ago
If there is a sign which explicitly bans cars from entering it is still illegal (I assume; I never took the drivers license in California). In the video you can clearly see the street has a sign that says no cars and no motorcycles. The Tesla presumably saw that sign and either doesn’t recognize it (unlikely) or has a software telling the car to ignore it (more likely).
- Veserv 4mo ago
  It most likely does not recognize the sign. Last I saw, after years of furious development they were still unable to recognize standard "Do Not Enter", "Road Closed", and "One Way" signs in the US. Here is a video [1] from a week ago where it fails to recognize a clearly visible "Do Not Enter" sign with "One Way" road indications. [1] https://bsky.app/profile/realdanodowd.bsky.social/post/3mnhwbgnwms2p https://bsky.app/profile/realdanodowd.bsky.social/post/3mnhw...
  - vardump 4mo ago
    You should have shown the original video and not the one from Dan O'Dowd. He is not interested in pedestrian safety in any way, he is doing this only to promote his own company, Green Hills Software. He didn't have any issues with Tesla until it stopped using his software. The original: https://x.com/DirtyTesLa/status/2062260954709049840 https://x.com/DirtyTesLa/status/2062260954709049840 or https://xcancel.com/DirtyTesLa/status/2062260954709049840 https://xcancel.com/DirtyTesLa/status/2062260954709049840.
    - Veserv 4mo ago
      Ah yes, consistently, correctly, and truthfully highlighting serious safety defects and unacceptable design oversights for years in the products of a trillion dollar company with a rabid fanbase well known for running smear campaigns is "not interested in pedestrian safety". I imagine everybody relishes the opportunity to get smeared by entirely false accusations by Tesla promoters with a conflict of interest. You can tell the Tesla promoters running the smear campaigns are worth listening to because their smears keep getting disproved by video evidence. Please point at any clearly visible video evidence that their whistleblowing is inaccurate. No "shaky cam" "Bigfoot" evidence where you point at something blurry and falsify a claim to fit your desired narrative. Your job would have been a lot easier if any of those Tesla Promoters accepted the Dawn Project's offer to attempt the tests themselves with their own Tesla's and their own cameras giving them the perfect platform to debunk the Dawn Project's claims. Weird how they all chickened out on that slam dunk.
      - vardump 4mo ago
        In this case, the whistleblowing was done by DirtyTesla (as credited by Dan). Respect to him for that. Dan has created proven fake videos where Tesla is allegedly unsafe, but got caught. So he has lost his credibility. It's very important to call out these issues AND to do it honestly.
        Veserv 4mo ago
        Nope. Those accusations were proven false and the people who made them have lost all their credibility. It was just a smear campaign by Tesla promoters so effective that here you are parroting it against reality to protect a trillion dollar company that actively lies and promotes illegal and dangerous behavior. They really outdid themselves with that smear campaign. If you disagree, I presented the criteria for evidence needed to support your case. Remember, no shaky cam.
bluecalm 4mo ago
Dude, there is a sign saying it's not a road for cars. Its driving into a road its banned from entering. It means Tesla can't even read road signs.
rootusrootus 4mo ago
That's wild. In Oregon you will get a ticket for driving in the bike lane at all, turn or not. The only exception are bike lanes that go straight and briefly share a turning lane, but those are clearly marked for that purpose. Good reminder that you should always be aware of local traffic laws when you travel, most places in the US are similar but not identical.

stefan_ 4mo ago

This is a lane only for bikes, with no car lane going the same direction. It's like turning onto train tracks (and if you keep going down it, you might well be stuck).

Veserv 4mo ago

No, as can be clearly seen from the video, it is doing a right turn onto a road where the only lane is a full-size lane with a sign indicating that cars are not allowed to use that road in that direction.

seanclayton 4mo ago

Makes sense to use software modeled on California laws in software made for Denmark's laws for sure.

runarberg 4mo ago

If there is a sign which explicitly bans cars from entering it is still illegal (I assume; I never took the drivers license in California). In the video you can clearly see the street has a sign that says no cars and no motorcycles. The Tesla presumably saw that sign and either doesn’t recognize it (unlikely) or has a software telling the car to ignore it (more likely).

Veserv 4mo ago
It most likely does not recognize the sign. Last I saw, after years of furious development they were still unable to recognize standard "Do Not Enter", "Road Closed", and "One Way" signs in the US. Here is a video [1] from a week ago where it fails to recognize a clearly visible "Do Not Enter" sign with "One Way" road indications. [1] https://bsky.app/profile/realdanodowd.bsky.social/post/3mnhwbgnwms2p https://bsky.app/profile/realdanodowd.bsky.social/post/3mnhw...
- vardump 4mo ago
  You should have shown the original video and not the one from Dan O'Dowd. He is not interested in pedestrian safety in any way, he is doing this only to promote his own company, Green Hills Software. He didn't have any issues with Tesla until it stopped using his software. The original: https://x.com/DirtyTesLa/status/2062260954709049840 https://x.com/DirtyTesLa/status/2062260954709049840 or https://xcancel.com/DirtyTesLa/status/2062260954709049840 https://xcancel.com/DirtyTesLa/status/2062260954709049840.
  - Veserv 4mo ago
    Ah yes, consistently, correctly, and truthfully highlighting serious safety defects and unacceptable design oversights for years in the products of a trillion dollar company with a rabid fanbase well known for running smear campaigns is "not interested in pedestrian safety". I imagine everybody relishes the opportunity to get smeared by entirely false accusations by Tesla promoters with a conflict of interest. You can tell the Tesla promoters running the smear campaigns are worth listening to because their smears keep getting disproved by video evidence. Please point at any clearly visible video evidence that their whistleblowing is inaccurate. No "shaky cam" "Bigfoot" evidence where you point at something blurry and falsify a claim to fit your desired narrative. Your job would have been a lot easier if any of those Tesla Promoters accepted the Dawn Project's offer to attempt the tests themselves with their own Tesla's and their own cameras giving them the perfect platform to debunk the Dawn Project's claims. Weird how they all chickened out on that slam dunk.
    - vardump 4mo ago
      In this case, the whistleblowing was done by DirtyTesla (as credited by Dan). Respect to him for that. Dan has created proven fake videos where Tesla is allegedly unsafe, but got caught. So he has lost his credibility. It's very important to call out these issues AND to do it honestly.
      - Veserv 4mo ago
        Nope. Those accusations were proven false and the people who made them have lost all their credibility. It was just a smear campaign by Tesla promoters so effective that here you are parroting it against reality to protect a trillion dollar company that actively lies and promotes illegal and dangerous behavior. They really outdid themselves with that smear campaign. If you disagree, I presented the criteria for evidence needed to support your case. Remember, no shaky cam.

bluecalm 4mo ago

Dude, there is a sign saying it's not a road for cars. Its driving into a road its banned from entering. It means Tesla can't even read road signs.

rootusrootus 4mo ago

That's wild. In Oregon you will get a ticket for driving in the bike lane at all, turn or not. The only exception are bike lanes that go straight and briefly share a turning lane, but those are clearly marked for that purpose. Good reminder that you should always be aware of local traffic laws when you travel, most places in the US are similar but not identical.