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The more astonishing thing is that people regularly talk about this in the context of hosting providers when by far the more significant threat is mobile platfo
by AnthonyMouse 4mo ago
The more astonishing thing is that people regularly talk about this in the context of hosting providers when by far the more significant threat is mobile platforms.
There are a zillion hosting companies, many of them outside the US. Now which mobile platform are you going to use that doesn't give one of two US companies root on your population's phones?
- noir_lord 4mo agoI have a sliding scale of devices I trust more or less (I trust nothing completely). At the top of the trust scale is a self built desktop running fedora then way further down is my apple devices (iPads) and then even further down is my android phone. Open source on hardware you control is the least worst option but since the hardware comes from abroad/countries I don’t trust much (including the US) not perfect.
- EdiX 4mo agoSoon thanks to Digital ID all your important business will have to go through the devices you trust the least.
- noir_lord 4mo agoProbably but I’ll just end up with a separate device just for that.
- Avamander 4mo agoThere's nothing about a digital ID system that would inherently require the use of a pre-approved OS. Some countries went with SmartCards that you can use on any platform that can communicate with a card reader basically.
- sam_lowry_ 4mo agoHah, you wish. See how maintainers of a reference implementation resist removing Google dependency here: https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/eudi-app-android-wallet-ui/issues/287 https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/eudi-app-andro...
- xethos 4mo agoThis is in no way a solution to the population-scale problem of a belligerant nation having root on the citizenry's mobile phones/cameras/GPS units/network scanners
- aembleton 4mo ago> Now which mobile platform are you going to use that doesn't give one of two US companies root on your population's phones? HarmonyOS
- AnthonyMouse 4mo agoSomething with ~0% market share outside of China and which trades the US having root for China having root is not a viable alternative. In theory you could have something produced by a country other countries might be willing to trust, but the number of countries that are both trustworthy and large enough to sustain a globally-viable platform is practically the empty set at this point. Which means the thing it calls for is something open source, since that both allows contributions from multiple countries and solves the trust issue by leaving no single entity in control of it.
- adjejmxbdjdn 4mo agoOne of the ironies of the TikTok-China discussion was that as an individual in the US, I would much prefer the Chinese govt have access to all my data over the U.S. government, just like I suspect individuals in China would be much better off if the U.S. government had all their data over the Chinese government. So giving your data to the Chinese government, while not a great solution, may still be preferable over giving it to the U.S. for someone in the EU given the closer relationship between EU governments and the U.S. than EU governments and the Chinese government. Of course, this may be the opposite of what you want from a national perspective.
- tiahura 4mo agoMy bank account is much more likely to get wiped by Chinese hackers than the CIA.
- Zigurd 4mo agoViability is debatable. There are tens of millions of smartphone users in the US who are vastly more exposed to US law-enforcement abuses and intrusiveness than anything China would care to try. Chinese emigres excepted. In other words China doesn't have to be trustworthy as long as the mountains are high and the emperor is far away.