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Can a kid set up an AWS account? Are there no checks? Wouldn't the contract be void for anyone underage anyway?

by V__ 4mo ago

l23k4 4mo ago
> Can a kid set up an AWS account? Yes > Are there no checks? No >Wouldn't the contract be void for anyone underage anyway? Typically not
- pbhjpbhj 4mo ago
  Presumably companies can't enforce debts against children [who are under the age of criminal liability, which is under-10 in UK].
  - lxgr 4mo ago
    Could they enforce them against their legal guardians (under the theory that they have neglected their duty to supervise their children appropriately) though? I think this is a thing in at least some jurisdictions.
    - matips 4mo ago
      In Poland legal guardians are responsible for neglects in guarding child. What is "proper custody" depends on child age. Parent cannot close child in basement, it is expected for child to have freedom appropriate to is age. I doubt that AWS could justify that part of proper child custody is to watch what child do with newest AI feature dedicated for processional IT. AWS neglected proper verification of user age.
- V__ 4mo ago
  I knew that in Germany contracts with minors are voidable. After some checking they apparently are voidable in the U.S. as well: > Contracts with minors are voidable at the minor's discretion but exceptions exist, such as contracts for necessities (e.g., food, health, and transportation). [1] https://www.upcounsel.com/minors-and-contracts https://www.upcounsel.com/minors-and-contracts
fc417fc802 4mo ago
If a child goes through the checkout at the grocery store with cash, can the parent march in and demand a refund because "he's underage so the contract is void"? A credit card was used. Why should aws care about the details? (Other than the potential for the card to be stolen ofc.)
- dannyw 4mo ago
  Obviously the specifics vary by jurisdiction, but usually contracts that are 'necessary' (e.g. grocery store purchases) or beneficial to the minor (e.g. an employment agreement) cannot be voided simply because someone is under 18. The further you go away from this line, e.g. a mortgage, the more likely a court of law would void the contract. As with many things in law, the specifics (if it makes to trial) is case-by-case and "it depends"; with settlement being generally based on a party's estimated chances of succeeding/costs should it go to trial.
- brazzy 4mo ago
  > If a child goes through the checkout at the grocery store with cash, can the parent march in and demand a refund because "he's underage so the contract is void"? Depends on the jurisdiction, of course. But for example in German law, the contract is not void exactly because and only if it was about daily necessities of low value - the law does, in fact, care very literally and explicitly about those details. So it's completely unfit as an example to generalize, and the contract with AWS would in fact be void. Their problem if they don't verify users' identities and age sufficiently - and it's almost certainly a deliberate business decision not to do that in order to reduce friction. and occasionally write off an unenforceable bill as cost of doing business.
  - fc417fc802 4mo ago
    Well fair enough, although I find that rather surprising. If I understand you correctly selling anything more expensive than cheap food to a child carries a high degree of risk in Germany. Then again, maybe making it impossible for a child to pawn expensive items for cash isn't such a bad idea. At least there shouldn't be any loopholes given the way Germany went about it.

Can a kid set up an AWS account? Are there no checks? Wouldn't the contract be void for anyone underage anyway?

by V__ 4mo ago

Can a kid set up an AWS account? Are there no checks? Wouldn't the contract be void for anyone underage anyway?

l23k4 4mo ago

> Can a kid set up an AWS account? Yes > Are there no checks? No >Wouldn't the contract be void for anyone underage anyway? Typically not

pbhjpbhj 4mo ago
Presumably companies can't enforce debts against children [who are under the age of criminal liability, which is under-10 in UK].
- lxgr 4mo ago
  Could they enforce them against their legal guardians (under the theory that they have neglected their duty to supervise their children appropriately) though? I think this is a thing in at least some jurisdictions.
  - matips 4mo ago
    In Poland legal guardians are responsible for neglects in guarding child. What is "proper custody" depends on child age. Parent cannot close child in basement, it is expected for child to have freedom appropriate to is age. I doubt that AWS could justify that part of proper child custody is to watch what child do with newest AI feature dedicated for processional IT. AWS neglected proper verification of user age.
V__ 4mo ago
I knew that in Germany contracts with minors are voidable. After some checking they apparently are voidable in the U.S. as well: > Contracts with minors are voidable at the minor's discretion but exceptions exist, such as contracts for necessities (e.g., food, health, and transportation). [1] https://www.upcounsel.com/minors-and-contracts https://www.upcounsel.com/minors-and-contracts

fc417fc802 4mo ago

If a child goes through the checkout at the grocery store with cash, can the parent march in and demand a refund because "he's underage so the contract is void"? A credit card was used. Why should aws care about the details? (Other than the potential for the card to be stolen ofc.)

dannyw 4mo ago
Obviously the specifics vary by jurisdiction, but usually contracts that are 'necessary' (e.g. grocery store purchases) or beneficial to the minor (e.g. an employment agreement) cannot be voided simply because someone is under 18. The further you go away from this line, e.g. a mortgage, the more likely a court of law would void the contract. As with many things in law, the specifics (if it makes to trial) is case-by-case and "it depends"; with settlement being generally based on a party's estimated chances of succeeding/costs should it go to trial.
brazzy 4mo ago
> If a child goes through the checkout at the grocery store with cash, can the parent march in and demand a refund because "he's underage so the contract is void"? Depends on the jurisdiction, of course. But for example in German law, the contract is not void exactly because and only if it was about daily necessities of low value - the law does, in fact, care very literally and explicitly about those details. So it's completely unfit as an example to generalize, and the contract with AWS would in fact be void. Their problem if they don't verify users' identities and age sufficiently - and it's almost certainly a deliberate business decision not to do that in order to reduce friction. and occasionally write off an unenforceable bill as cost of doing business.
- fc417fc802 4mo ago
  Well fair enough, although I find that rather surprising. If I understand you correctly selling anything more expensive than cheap food to a child carries a high degree of risk in Germany. Then again, maybe making it impossible for a child to pawn expensive items for cash isn't such a bad idea. At least there shouldn't be any loopholes given the way Germany went about it.