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do you have any data you can share on how many input and output tokens were used in that whole process to fix that bug?

simonw 4mo ago
~ % uvx agentsview session usage be8850a7-6119-46a0-b5d6-79c7fff5ae2b Session: be8850a7-6119-46a0-b5d6-79c7fff5ae2b Agent: claude Output: 68606 Peak ctx: 113178 Cost: ~$12.11 (claude-fable-5, claude-opus-4-8)
- sillysaurusx 4mo ago
  Was the fix worth $12 to you?
  - simonw 4mo ago
    I'd have been pretty annoyed if I'd been paying full price, hadn't paid attention and that one prompt (screenshot plus a line of text) had cost me $12! On the discounted subscription I can tolerate it, it took a small bite out of my daily allowance but not enough that I regret anything. As an LLM researcher I have no regrets at all because watching it work around the environmental restrictions was fascinating.
    - Ucalegon 4mo ago
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      - simonw 4mo ago
        How do you mean? I'm quoting the API list prices for Fable, at it's $10/million input and $50/million output (and $1/million for cache hits on input).
        Ucalegon 4mo ago
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        simonw 4mo ago
        I'm afraid I don't understand the question. Anthropic have prices they charge for their models. These prices are what you pay if you use the API, and they are also what you pay if you are an "enterprise" customer - generally any company with 150+ employees. I haven't seen Anthropic raise the prices of an existing model after it has launched. They sometimes raise prices when they ship a model - Fable is $10/$50 where Opus 4.8 is $5/$25. They also have monthly subscriptions for individuals, which are a notoriously good deal. THOSE are definitely less trustworthy and predictable than the API list prices, since the subscription allowed quotas can and have changed in the past. What am I missing here?
        Ucalegon 4mo ago
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        simonw 4mo ago
        Anthropic's enterprise pricing has been thoroughly covered over the last few weeks. I've talked to plenty of people who are paying those prices. You can chose to trust me or not based on my track record. From your posting history it looks like you have a whole lot more relevant experience with enterprise software deals than I do. Have you learned anything interesting about how Anthropic pricing works?
        Ucalegon 4mo ago
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        simonw 4mo ago
        Which claim are you talking about here?
    - criddell 4mo ago
      Reading your description of what it did, $12 seems pretty inexpensive. That's a lot of work! If you knew up front it was a $12 fix, do you think you would have decided to just live with the scroll bar? Would have tried to fix it yourself? Do you think you would have been able to easily find and fix the problem?
      - simonw 4mo ago
        If I wasn't in learning-about-the-new-model mode and knew in advance that it was going to cost me $12 in actual money then yes, I would have taken a stab at figuring it out myself.
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- pianopatrick 4mo ago
  Thanks for the response. That is too expensive for me right now but I appreciate you sharing. I hope long term people will figure out how to make such fixes cheaper.
  - simonw 4mo ago
    I didn't have to pay $12 myself - I'm paying $100/month for a subscription which gives me more like ~$1,000/month of credits, depending on how well I space them out. This is also a very real outlier. I've been doing little CSS fixes with coding agents for over a year now and most of them finish in seconds and cost in the order of single digit cents.

~ % uvx agentsview session usage be8850a7-6119-46a0-b5d6-79c7fff5ae2b Session: be8850a7-6119-46a0-b5d6-79c7fff5ae2b Agent: claude Output: 68606 Peak ctx: 113178 Cost: ~$12.11 (claude-fable-5, claude-opus-4-8)

sillysaurusx 4mo ago
Was the fix worth $12 to you?
- simonw 4mo ago
  I'd have been pretty annoyed if I'd been paying full price, hadn't paid attention and that one prompt (screenshot plus a line of text) had cost me $12! On the discounted subscription I can tolerate it, it took a small bite out of my daily allowance but not enough that I regret anything. As an LLM researcher I have no regrets at all because watching it work around the environmental restrictions was fascinating.
  - Ucalegon 4mo ago
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    - simonw 4mo ago
      How do you mean? I'm quoting the API list prices for Fable, at it's $10/million input and $50/million output (and $1/million for cache hits on input).
      - Ucalegon 4mo ago
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        simonw 4mo ago
        I'm afraid I don't understand the question. Anthropic have prices they charge for their models. These prices are what you pay if you use the API, and they are also what you pay if you are an "enterprise" customer - generally any company with 150+ employees. I haven't seen Anthropic raise the prices of an existing model after it has launched. They sometimes raise prices when they ship a model - Fable is $10/$50 where Opus 4.8 is $5/$25. They also have monthly subscriptions for individuals, which are a notoriously good deal. THOSE are definitely less trustworthy and predictable than the API list prices, since the subscription allowed quotas can and have changed in the past. What am I missing here?
        Ucalegon 4mo ago
        [flagged]
        simonw 4mo ago
        Anthropic's enterprise pricing has been thoroughly covered over the last few weeks. I've talked to plenty of people who are paying those prices. You can chose to trust me or not based on my track record. From your posting history it looks like you have a whole lot more relevant experience with enterprise software deals than I do. Have you learned anything interesting about how Anthropic pricing works?
        Ucalegon 4mo ago
        [flagged]
        simonw 4mo ago
        Which claim are you talking about here?
  - criddell 4mo ago
    Reading your description of what it did, $12 seems pretty inexpensive. That's a lot of work! If you knew up front it was a $12 fix, do you think you would have decided to just live with the scroll bar? Would have tried to fix it yourself? Do you think you would have been able to easily find and fix the problem?
    - simonw 4mo ago
      If I wasn't in learning-about-the-new-model mode and knew in advance that it was going to cost me $12 in actual money then yes, I would have taken a stab at figuring it out myself.
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pianopatrick 4mo ago
Thanks for the response. That is too expensive for me right now but I appreciate you sharing. I hope long term people will figure out how to make such fixes cheaper.
- simonw 4mo ago
  I didn't have to pay $12 myself - I'm paying $100/month for a subscription which gives me more like ~$1,000/month of credits, depending on how well I space them out. This is also a very real outlier. I've been doing little CSS fixes with coding agents for over a year now and most of them finish in seconds and cost in the order of single digit cents.