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It assumes $44/kg to launch into orbit. Idk where that came from if it's a musk claim or what but it's ludicrous against current costs. Currently still at thous

It assumes $44/kg to launch into orbit. Idk where that came from if it's a musk claim or what but it's ludicrous against current costs. Currently still at thousands/kg and dropping but nowhere near $44 and I haven't heard anyone claim that's likely who isn't selling a rocket company.

mikestorrent 4mo ago
That seems pretty cheap, like, can I launch my cat's ashes into space or something for $50?
bluecalm 4mo ago
The plan is to launch from Earth in the beginning stages and then switch to launching from the Moon which has no atmosphere so you don't need rockets and can use an electromagnetic gun instead. That requires satellite manufacturing on the Moon and I guess the minerals required will come from asteroid mining. That's my understanding of what Elon said about how it's going to work.
- davidkwast 4mo ago
  So the majority of the hardware should stay on the moon where latency isn't so critical. There the cooling won't be the problem.
  - bluecalm 4mo ago
    Elon said they will manufacture big heavy parts on the Moon to reduce the mass they need to use rockets for and maybe ship GPUs from Earth. It sounds like a science-fiction to me but what do I know. You can watch the full interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_1j5dVWNYI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_1j5dVWNYI
- brokenmachine 4mo ago
  Asteroid mining? This is the most ridiculous thing ever. How this half baked snake oil salesman gets anyone to invest in his companies amazes me.
PowerfulWizard 4mo ago
Musk is deliberately creating a business that needs high volume low cost launch services because in order to get low cost launch high volume is needed, and in order to get high volume a customer is needed. In the same way that Starlink launches were used to create the Falcon 9 economies of scale, the orbital AI will be used to create the Starship economies of scale. He also wants to bet the whole company on this which creates pressure to deliver and not just coast on what they've already accomplished. There are a bunch of related high risk bets but they ultimately connect back to bringing Mars within reach with frequent low cost launch capability.
- rbanffy 4mo ago
  > the orbital AI will be used to create the Starship economies of scale. The difference is that Starlink solves a problem people actually have. Space AI solves very few real problems (immunity from regulation, physical security)

mikestorrent 4mo ago

That seems pretty cheap, like, can I launch my cat's ashes into space or something for $50?

bluecalm 4mo ago

The plan is to launch from Earth in the beginning stages and then switch to launching from the Moon which has no atmosphere so you don't need rockets and can use an electromagnetic gun instead. That requires satellite manufacturing on the Moon and I guess the minerals required will come from asteroid mining. That's my understanding of what Elon said about how it's going to work.

davidkwast 4mo ago
So the majority of the hardware should stay on the moon where latency isn't so critical. There the cooling won't be the problem.
- bluecalm 4mo ago
  Elon said they will manufacture big heavy parts on the Moon to reduce the mass they need to use rockets for and maybe ship GPUs from Earth. It sounds like a science-fiction to me but what do I know. You can watch the full interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_1j5dVWNYI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_1j5dVWNYI
brokenmachine 4mo ago
Asteroid mining? This is the most ridiculous thing ever. How this half baked snake oil salesman gets anyone to invest in his companies amazes me.

PowerfulWizard 4mo ago

Musk is deliberately creating a business that needs high volume low cost launch services because in order to get low cost launch high volume is needed, and in order to get high volume a customer is needed. In the same way that Starlink launches were used to create the Falcon 9 economies of scale, the orbital AI will be used to create the Starship economies of scale. He also wants to bet the whole company on this which creates pressure to deliver and not just coast on what they've already accomplished. There are a bunch of related high risk bets but they ultimately connect back to bringing Mars within reach with frequent low cost launch capability.

rbanffy 4mo ago
> the orbital AI will be used to create the Starship economies of scale. The difference is that Starlink solves a problem people actually have. Space AI solves very few real problems (immunity from regulation, physical security)