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> I think, is that everyone who needs small software to manage a todo list or synchronize files, or whatever "normal" people do, will end up with bespoke person

by altern8 4mo ago

> I think, is that everyone who needs small software to manage a todo list or synchronize files, or whatever "normal" people do, will end up with bespoke personalized software written by their own AI People can't be bothered to cook for themselves, and often order crappy, unhealthy food that costs 10 times as much just so they don't have to cook. Now they're going to build their own software every time they think they need an app..?

SoftTalker 4mo ago
If they can do it from their couch by talking to their phone, they might.
- altern8 4mo ago
  While eating the junk food I was talking about :-D
seydor 4mo ago
They can be bothered to order food. The machine will figure out the rest with the help of other machines and the network
- altern8 4mo ago
  So, machines will allow ordering an app.
  - seydor 4mo ago
    i assume the food will be made by machines too
  - eigencoder 4mo ago
    Yeah, I think this will really be a thing. I have been using `exe.dev` lately, and I was at an AirBnB with my family where we wanted to play a game, but it needed pencil and paper for each person, but we didn't have those. I thought it would be nice to have a little web app where you could write your input and then vote on other people's responses directly from your phone. I just spun up a VM on exe.dev, asked the AI to write the app, and then made the VM public-facing. It was a little buggy, but it worked well enough and we had a fun time.
    - YtMtBt 4mo ago
      [dead]
    - jorisw 4mo ago
      Do you think just anyone (now or soon) would be able to do what you needed to do to get that app specified and running?
      - eigencoder 4mo ago
        Not yet. I did specify some specific things about the tech stack and the way I wanted pages outlined that I think helped it get on the right track. But I honestly didn't look at any of the code at all, even when there were a couple bugs that needed fixed. In the future, I'll bet they could.
llbbdd 4mo ago
Gemini at least will produce small functional inline sample apps without being explicitly told to, particularly if you're trying to learn about something, it'll produce an interactive diagram or similar. I can see a future where these kinds of end users aren't necessarily saying "I can build an app for this", but their AI can just produce one when appropriate.
saltcured 4mo ago
I think this is an interesting analogy. If AI is really progressing as rapidly as some describe, should we expect a robotics renaissance with automated-chef appliances etc? In other words, when will we really see a transition from "yet another token generator" to something that appears to coherently observe, perceive, form intent, plan, and act in a way that is compatible with an existing, long-running human context? (And, also, do this with enough determinism to be a viable product and not some gaping liability...)
- zombot 4mo ago
  If these things happen, they will be privacy nightmares, just as our cars are becoming.
  - saltcured 4mo ago
    I agree, in practice. In theory, they could be made to strictly compartmentalize their "memories" and exercise some kind of robot-client privilege. There could even be built-in, task-appropriate data-retention limits and anonymization algorithms to reduce the risk of leaks. But instead, we should assume they will be made to remember too much and to send abusive levels of reconnaissance and other telemetry back to their parent companies. Because anything less is "leaving money on the table" and that has become the greatest sin of all... :-(
the_af 4mo ago
> Now they're going to build their own software every time they think they need an app..? As others have said, this will be more like ordering food than "building". It's not there yet, but soon-ish it might be.
rambojohnson 4mo ago
the thing is they won't need to "cook" anymore to get it done. they can just... describe what they want to eat.
- jorisw 4mo ago
  "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot"
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by altern8 4mo ago

SoftTalker 4mo ago

If they can do it from their couch by talking to their phone, they might.

altern8 4mo ago
While eating the junk food I was talking about :-D

seydor 4mo ago

They can be bothered to order food. The machine will figure out the rest with the help of other machines and the network

altern8 4mo ago
So, machines will allow ordering an app.
- seydor 4mo ago
  i assume the food will be made by machines too
- eigencoder 4mo ago
  Yeah, I think this will really be a thing. I have been using `exe.dev` lately, and I was at an AirBnB with my family where we wanted to play a game, but it needed pencil and paper for each person, but we didn't have those. I thought it would be nice to have a little web app where you could write your input and then vote on other people's responses directly from your phone. I just spun up a VM on exe.dev, asked the AI to write the app, and then made the VM public-facing. It was a little buggy, but it worked well enough and we had a fun time.
  - YtMtBt 4mo ago
    [dead]
  - jorisw 4mo ago
    Do you think just anyone (now or soon) would be able to do what you needed to do to get that app specified and running?
    - eigencoder 4mo ago
      Not yet. I did specify some specific things about the tech stack and the way I wanted pages outlined that I think helped it get on the right track. But I honestly didn't look at any of the code at all, even when there were a couple bugs that needed fixed. In the future, I'll bet they could.

llbbdd 4mo ago

Gemini at least will produce small functional inline sample apps without being explicitly told to, particularly if you're trying to learn about something, it'll produce an interactive diagram or similar. I can see a future where these kinds of end users aren't necessarily saying "I can build an app for this", but their AI can just produce one when appropriate.

saltcured 4mo ago

I think this is an interesting analogy. If AI is really progressing as rapidly as some describe, should we expect a robotics renaissance with automated-chef appliances etc? In other words, when will we really see a transition from "yet another token generator" to something that appears to coherently observe, perceive, form intent, plan, and act in a way that is compatible with an existing, long-running human context? (And, also, do this with enough determinism to be a viable product and not some gaping liability...)

zombot 4mo ago
If these things happen, they will be privacy nightmares, just as our cars are becoming.
- saltcured 4mo ago
  I agree, in practice. In theory, they could be made to strictly compartmentalize their "memories" and exercise some kind of robot-client privilege. There could even be built-in, task-appropriate data-retention limits and anonymization algorithms to reduce the risk of leaks. But instead, we should assume they will be made to remember too much and to send abusive levels of reconnaissance and other telemetry back to their parent companies. Because anything less is "leaving money on the table" and that has become the greatest sin of all... :-(

the_af 4mo ago

> Now they're going to build their own software every time they think they need an app..? As others have said, this will be more like ordering food than "building". It's not there yet, but soon-ish it might be.

rambojohnson 4mo ago

the thing is they won't need to "cook" anymore to get it done. they can just... describe what they want to eat.

jorisw 4mo ago
"Tea, Earl Grey, Hot"

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