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> The overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone heavy theaters of war is a tiny sliver. Currently active theaters. And now there

> The overlap in the locations of Pokemon Go Player data and any active Drone heavy theaters of war is a tiny sliver. Currently active theaters. And now there are detailed locations of our cities. We might not get killbots today but we will get pacificationbots.

pera 4mo ago
I remember reading in the news that Pokémon Go was quite popular in Palestine. If GP has access to this dataset it would be interesting to know how sparse is the data in that area.
- btbuildem 4mo ago
  If the data was spatial - shapes and layouts of buildings and streets and such - that dataset is no longer current.
  - SecretDreams 4mo ago
    :(
  - ddejohn 4mo ago
    Deeply sickening that modern society is such that we have to make room in our brains for objectively outlandish connections like these. That a children's cartoon and game about cute little companions has to in any way be involved in the same sentence as the flattening of a city and genocide is just... pure insanity. The world has truly, collectively, lost its fucking mind.
    - lukan 4mo ago
      "The world has truly, collectively, lost its fucking mind." What time you have in mind, that was really better? (I believe the 90s were at least way more optimistic)
      - ddejohn 4mo ago
        > What time you have in mind, that was really better? Don't think there's ever been a time in human history that would qualify as good, but I will take better: any time pre-COVID. We have completely gone off the rails since the pandemic. I don't really feel like elaborating.
        lukan 4mo ago
        "I don't really feel like elaborating." Yes, maybe not the right place anyway. I agree that Covid initiated a accelerated downward spiral, but for me the turning point was already 9/11 and everything that followed.
    - Dylan16807 4mo ago
      > in any way You can connect any two things into a sentence regardless of the state of the world. This is way off of where the problems actually are. Edit: Some people have downvoted this without giving a reason, but I'm going to double down. Any time you have disasters or large crimes, you can connect them to children and children's things. Thinking there's anything to learn about the specific fact that you can make that connection is a mistake. It's letting the real problem spill over in a way that misleads your common sense. It's an inherent part of bad things happening that they also affect children. No matter what state the world is in.
      - lunchbucket 4mo ago
        It's silly to compare an arbitrary connection to a non-arbitrary connection and as if it makes the former arbitrary. You're doubling down on a category error.
        Dylan16807 4mo ago
        This is a very arbitrary connection. The game took some pictures of the world. The world got damaged. And pokemon go isn't actually a children's game in the first place, it's heavy on the nostalgia and at least a while ago 3/4 of the users were adults.
        lunchbucket 4mo ago
        It's bizarre to me that you aren't acknowledging the context these remarks were made in, I don't understand where you're coming from at all. Like, you've seen what article this thread is discussing right...?
        Dylan16807 4mo ago
        The even more immediate context for this chain of comments is the article being pretty far off base, and that the people treating those videos like a database of location info are getting it completely wrong. Also drones didn't flatten a city. You really have to ignore a lot of the details to make this connection strong.
    - olbeardGear 4mo ago
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Muromec 4mo ago
Kill bots are used right now in Ukraine, including ones with no operator in the loop (too slow)
- sciencejerk 4mo ago
  Details?
  - red-iron-pine 4mo ago
    from 1 day ago: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2529849-fully-autonomous-drones-have-killed-human-soldiers-for-the-first-time/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2529849-fully-autonomou...
    - krunck 4mo ago
      “We just launch it and we know everything will be dead – everything that will be found there in this particular area will be dead,” says Kokhanovskyy. “There is no connection to the drone at all, you cannot see the video, nothing… Everything it sees will be killed.” Because there are never any civilians caught in the middle of two warring armies, right? I think the ICC will be getting real busy soon.
      - Muromec 4mo ago
        That alone doesn't cut war crime definition to get attention to ICC and isn't really different from the usual aerial bombing. You drop the bomb from a plane or 100 of them somewhere around the densely populated area and don't know who they kill, as there is no connection to the drone. Civilians dying in an armed conflict doesn't cut the definition of warcrime by itself. Deliberate targeting and intentional destruction of civil infrastructure that supports life or something like it is. Then of course there is stuff that ICC isn't getting busy about which is clearly above the threshold -- the regular drone safaris in and around Kherson (city with pre-war population circa quarter million people) happening for the last few years.
      - 4mo ago
sciencejerk 4mo ago
Optimistically, it sounds like the USA data could be used to assist USA domestic defense drones, fighting against an invading foreign nation. Pessimistically, maybe democracy's days are numbered
- red-iron-pine 4mo ago
  > Pessimistically, maybe democracy's days are numbered that was in the cards in the early 2000s when the Patriot Act got passed, mate. now they just have the muscle (drones) to back it up. welcome to the cyberpunk dystopia
  - idiotsecant 4mo ago
    The real cyberpunk dystopia is going to be a lot less glamorous than it is in the stories- mostly just unending poverty, war, and death for the vast majority of us.
  - tim333 4mo ago
    Dunno - if you look at the graphs https://ourworldindata.org/democracy https://ourworldindata.org/democracy the long term trend over a couple of centuries has been towards democracy, though with a bit of a reversion over the last 15 years or so. A lot of the bad has come out of Russia which is struggling a bit these days.
Aurornis 4mo ago
> And now there are detailed locations of our cities. The Pokémon Go data is for small little islands around their points of interest (pokestops). It’s not a detailed city map. The data is extremely sparse and only covers little tiny bubble around their sparse in game POIs. The way it was represented as some sort of high resolution city map or world model was quite ridiculous.
- reaperducer 4mo ago
  The Pokémon Go data is for small little islands around their points of interest (pokestops). That's not the impression I get from the TV ads. The ads they run show people walking along sidewalks and through forested paths and through parks in AR mode.
  - xp84 4mo ago
    The controversy elsewhere in these comments is over whether it’s recording, and the server is slurping up, the video footage, during AR mode. We know they do so on the “scans” they have you do, where you walk around something taking video, but I don’t think there’s proof that having AR on = uploading to the server. Should be easy to prove one way or the other by observing bandwidth usage.
red-iron-pine 4mo ago
story broke yesterday that Ukraine deployed its first fully AI system, no human interaction, and it scored its first kill i think killbots are absolutely a possibility, and very soon. rightwing pundits and meme makers are already unironically quoting Zechariah 13:8
idiotsecant 4mo ago
Yep, the autocracies of the past only resolved when the ruling machinery needed something from the population. They needed farmers, workers, soldiers, etc. There are clear parallels in the modern world of societies when the ruling machinery doesn't need those things from their population - petrostates. The people in these states tend to be viewed as subjects, not citizens. That's where we are headed A corporate council of emperor kings with armies of pacification bots. The tiny sliver of window we have to ensure this doesn't happen is rapidly closing and there seems to be no movement toward ensuring that this doesn't culminate with the entire power of this new revolution in the hands of a small class of near demigods.
- iwontberude 4mo ago
  Hopefully they will let us live comfortably like pets as sterile creatures that will slowly die out and not be replaced. This could limit human misery in the future.
KaiserPro 4mo ago
No, because they are different things for different purposes. Visual navigation is prone to degradation. Keeping the "map" updated requires constant visits. (I know because my team worked on the patent for a method for updating said maps.) Also Pacification bot would be run by the military who most lilkey have GPS. Finally, For ground based bots, SLAM is actually more useful, rather than pre-built map based navigation.
bradyd 4mo ago
> And now there are detailed locations of our cities That has already existed for decades.
asdff 4mo ago
Don't worry about pokemon go. Worry about the lidar unit on top of the UPS truck.

pera 4mo ago

I remember reading in the news that Pokémon Go was quite popular in Palestine. If GP has access to this dataset it would be interesting to know how sparse is the data in that area.

btbuildem 4mo ago
If the data was spatial - shapes and layouts of buildings and streets and such - that dataset is no longer current.
- SecretDreams 4mo ago
  :(
- ddejohn 4mo ago
  Deeply sickening that modern society is such that we have to make room in our brains for objectively outlandish connections like these. That a children's cartoon and game about cute little companions has to in any way be involved in the same sentence as the flattening of a city and genocide is just... pure insanity. The world has truly, collectively, lost its fucking mind.
  - lukan 4mo ago
    "The world has truly, collectively, lost its fucking mind." What time you have in mind, that was really better? (I believe the 90s were at least way more optimistic)
    - ddejohn 4mo ago
      > What time you have in mind, that was really better? Don't think there's ever been a time in human history that would qualify as good, but I will take better: any time pre-COVID. We have completely gone off the rails since the pandemic. I don't really feel like elaborating.
      - lukan 4mo ago
        "I don't really feel like elaborating." Yes, maybe not the right place anyway. I agree that Covid initiated a accelerated downward spiral, but for me the turning point was already 9/11 and everything that followed.
  - Dylan16807 4mo ago
    > in any way You can connect any two things into a sentence regardless of the state of the world. This is way off of where the problems actually are. Edit: Some people have downvoted this without giving a reason, but I'm going to double down. Any time you have disasters or large crimes, you can connect them to children and children's things. Thinking there's anything to learn about the specific fact that you can make that connection is a mistake. It's letting the real problem spill over in a way that misleads your common sense. It's an inherent part of bad things happening that they also affect children. No matter what state the world is in.
    - lunchbucket 4mo ago
      It's silly to compare an arbitrary connection to a non-arbitrary connection and as if it makes the former arbitrary. You're doubling down on a category error.
      - Dylan16807 4mo ago
        This is a very arbitrary connection. The game took some pictures of the world. The world got damaged. And pokemon go isn't actually a children's game in the first place, it's heavy on the nostalgia and at least a while ago 3/4 of the users were adults.
        lunchbucket 4mo ago
        It's bizarre to me that you aren't acknowledging the context these remarks were made in, I don't understand where you're coming from at all. Like, you've seen what article this thread is discussing right...?
        Dylan16807 4mo ago
        The even more immediate context for this chain of comments is the article being pretty far off base, and that the people treating those videos like a database of location info are getting it completely wrong. Also drones didn't flatten a city. You really have to ignore a lot of the details to make this connection strong.
  - olbeardGear 4mo ago
    [dead]

Muromec 4mo ago

Kill bots are used right now in Ukraine, including ones with no operator in the loop (too slow)

sciencejerk 4mo ago
Details?
- red-iron-pine 4mo ago
  from 1 day ago: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2529849-fully-autonomous-drones-have-killed-human-soldiers-for-the-first-time/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2529849-fully-autonomou...
  - krunck 4mo ago
    “We just launch it and we know everything will be dead – everything that will be found there in this particular area will be dead,” says Kokhanovskyy. “There is no connection to the drone at all, you cannot see the video, nothing… Everything it sees will be killed.” Because there are never any civilians caught in the middle of two warring armies, right? I think the ICC will be getting real busy soon.
    - Muromec 4mo ago
      That alone doesn't cut war crime definition to get attention to ICC and isn't really different from the usual aerial bombing. You drop the bomb from a plane or 100 of them somewhere around the densely populated area and don't know who they kill, as there is no connection to the drone. Civilians dying in an armed conflict doesn't cut the definition of warcrime by itself. Deliberate targeting and intentional destruction of civil infrastructure that supports life or something like it is. Then of course there is stuff that ICC isn't getting busy about which is clearly above the threshold -- the regular drone safaris in and around Kherson (city with pre-war population circa quarter million people) happening for the last few years.
    - 4mo ago

sciencejerk 4mo ago

Optimistically, it sounds like the USA data could be used to assist USA domestic defense drones, fighting against an invading foreign nation. Pessimistically, maybe democracy's days are numbered

red-iron-pine 4mo ago
> Pessimistically, maybe democracy's days are numbered that was in the cards in the early 2000s when the Patriot Act got passed, mate. now they just have the muscle (drones) to back it up. welcome to the cyberpunk dystopia
- idiotsecant 4mo ago
  The real cyberpunk dystopia is going to be a lot less glamorous than it is in the stories- mostly just unending poverty, war, and death for the vast majority of us.
- tim333 4mo ago
  Dunno - if you look at the graphs https://ourworldindata.org/democracy https://ourworldindata.org/democracy the long term trend over a couple of centuries has been towards democracy, though with a bit of a reversion over the last 15 years or so. A lot of the bad has come out of Russia which is struggling a bit these days.

Aurornis 4mo ago

> And now there are detailed locations of our cities. The Pokémon Go data is for small little islands around their points of interest (pokestops). It’s not a detailed city map. The data is extremely sparse and only covers little tiny bubble around their sparse in game POIs. The way it was represented as some sort of high resolution city map or world model was quite ridiculous.

reaperducer 4mo ago
The Pokémon Go data is for small little islands around their points of interest (pokestops). That's not the impression I get from the TV ads. The ads they run show people walking along sidewalks and through forested paths and through parks in AR mode.
- xp84 4mo ago
  The controversy elsewhere in these comments is over whether it’s recording, and the server is slurping up, the video footage, during AR mode. We know they do so on the “scans” they have you do, where you walk around something taking video, but I don’t think there’s proof that having AR on = uploading to the server. Should be easy to prove one way or the other by observing bandwidth usage.

red-iron-pine 4mo ago

story broke yesterday that Ukraine deployed its first fully AI system, no human interaction, and it scored its first kill i think killbots are absolutely a possibility, and very soon. rightwing pundits and meme makers are already unironically quoting Zechariah 13:8

idiotsecant 4mo ago

Yep, the autocracies of the past only resolved when the ruling machinery needed something from the population. They needed farmers, workers, soldiers, etc. There are clear parallels in the modern world of societies when the ruling machinery doesn't need those things from their population - petrostates. The people in these states tend to be viewed as subjects, not citizens. That's where we are headed A corporate council of emperor kings with armies of pacification bots. The tiny sliver of window we have to ensure this doesn't happen is rapidly closing and there seems to be no movement toward ensuring that this doesn't culminate with the entire power of this new revolution in the hands of a small class of near demigods.

iwontberude 4mo ago
Hopefully they will let us live comfortably like pets as sterile creatures that will slowly die out and not be replaced. This could limit human misery in the future.

KaiserPro 4mo ago

No, because they are different things for different purposes. Visual navigation is prone to degradation. Keeping the "map" updated requires constant visits. (I know because my team worked on the patent for a method for updating said maps.) Also Pacification bot would be run by the military who most lilkey have GPS. Finally, For ground based bots, SLAM is actually more useful, rather than pre-built map based navigation.

bradyd 4mo ago

> And now there are detailed locations of our cities That has already existed for decades.

asdff 4mo ago

Don't worry about pokemon go. Worry about the lidar unit on top of the UPS truck.