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> they're not training on the data How would you know that? You can only know what they say they will do with the data.
by HWR_14 4mo ago
> they're not training on the data
How would you know that? You can only know what they say they will do with the data.
- usef- 4mo agoSure, some trust is required that they aren't breaking their own terms of service (which legally enforces that they won't train on your data), but the same is true of every company/service you deal with (AWS, Google, your CRM etc). Their entire business model depends on enterprises trusting them.
- coldtea 4mo ago>some trust is required that they aren't breaking their own terms of service Which companies do all the time...
- jefftk 4mo agoBut if you're going to take your distrust that far then the issue is that they have your data at all, not that they are telling you that they will retain it for 30 days.
- zaptheimpaler 4mo agoIf you don't trust them, then no policy is enough. Technically everything you send to the model could be stored by them. Personally I do worry about that especially as an average consumer not an enterprise, no one is looking out for us and we don't get any guarantees. But enterprises will get the right treatment because they would find out and sue Anthropic if they lied.
- Rudybega 4mo agoI mean, if we're assuming they're just willing to lie and violate their own TOS then how could you ever be comfortable with them regardless of this 30 day period (or really any online service)? This seems like a bit of a silly take.
- baq 4mo agoCivilization is built on trust, otherwise you’ll need to rebuild all of it yourself. This isn’t very different.
- coldtea 4mo agoCivilization is also built on cheating and taking advantage of naive trust. This isn’t very different.
- usef- 4mo agoIf that were dominantly true nothing would function at all. You trust and rely on thousands of people and services every day. As others have said, if you're this skeptical I don't see why you would have been using them before this retention increase.
- coldtea 4mo ago>If that were dominantly true nothing would function at all And yet it is, and most things still function. Now what? >You trust and rely on thousands of people and services every day And I, and everybody else, distrusts and tries not to rely on thousands of people and services every day too. Do you lock your car? Or your door? Do you use your username as password trusting nobody would stoop so low as to break it? Do you trust the goverment to put your tax money to good use? Do you trust emails with great offers from websites you didn't subscribe to? Do you trust companies not to sell your personal data? >As others have said, if you're this skeptical I don't see why you would have been using them before this retention increase. Because they have a technically more capable offering. For absolutely no other reason.
- nativeit 4mo agoWe’ve repeatedly watched that trust abused and exploited in these last few years, in both public and private sectors (including specifically in this field). I broadly agree with you, but I tend to think it’s a finite resource that’s eroding rapidly just now.
- blackoil 4mo agoIf that is the question. Those customers anyway won't be using any LLM or cloud services in first place. If you are a jornalist investigating nations, stay away from everything.