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I'd like to offer a counter-point to many of the comments here. While I understand being stymied and frustrated by a product one is paying for... At the same t

I'd like to offer a counter-point to many of the comments here. While I understand being stymied and frustrated by a product one is paying for... At the same time, I personally think the tradeoff between "having guardrails" and "some users are unhappy with the product" is well worth it. Think of what would happen if all of us who aren't so well intentioned could exploit Fable in terrible ways. Surely this tradeoff is better than saying "we can't make it perfect, so whoops, we aren't going to have any guardrails at all"? Especially because Anthropic did pretty extensive red-teaming of Mythos & Fable...

zmgsabst 4mo ago
What would happen, exactly? My imagination says “nothing much”.
sarchertech 4mo ago
Yeah but a lot of the guardrails are pretty obviously to prevent competition not for safety.
- YossarianFrPrez 4mo ago
  Hmm. Maybe they are concerned about state actors trying to train equivalent models without the safeguards?
  - matheusmoreira 4mo ago
    More like concerned about distillation.
  - sarchertech 4mo ago
    If a for profit company does a thing that could be motivated by profit or altruism, which of those 2 motivations do you think is most likely?
    - solenoid0937 4mo ago
      When they've repeatedly made decisions against their for profit nature, it changes the calculus a bit.
      - nullbio 4mo ago
        They haven't though. There's a long term plan here, and the goal is power and wealth. Short term moves that appear irrational turn out to be rational (from a greed perspective) when you factor in other considerations, like: Use their own AGI to create every software product on Earth and swallow the worlds economy. And we're kindly feeding their systems our codebases, IP and business decision-making so they can do exactly that. Not a single thing Anthropic has done has been altruistic, and it never will be. It's all smoke and mirrors for the end goal.
        solenoid0937 4mo ago
        If this was true they'd never have picked a fight with the DOW and they'd release Fable without safeguards.
        sarchertech 4mo ago
        How do you not recognize that the safeguards provide obvious benefits to the company?
  - nullbio 4mo ago
    Why invent new motives for Anthropic when their real motives are plain and obvious and have been confirmed time and time again by their behavior over the last few years? Their concern is their own power and wealth. Every other conceivable motive is secondary to that.
weakened_malloc 4mo ago
The "guardrails" are just Anthropic's attempt at building a moat. Guarantee they'll be seeking regulation around AI as well to ensure a form of regulatory capture. Guardrails, in this context, are useless. Anyone who's sufficiently motivated will either get around them, or will just run their own model on their home hardware. There's already tools that one can use to remove the guardrails present in open weight models.
CraftingLinks 4mo ago
Guardrails against what? Rehashing public wikipedia information? Execution matters, and they did a trurly horrible job that crippled their product to the point of being useless and a joke. Huge mistakes were made and im sure they regret it already, heads will roll.

zmgsabst 4mo ago

What would happen, exactly? My imagination says “nothing much”.

sarchertech 4mo ago

Yeah but a lot of the guardrails are pretty obviously to prevent competition not for safety.

YossarianFrPrez 4mo ago
Hmm. Maybe they are concerned about state actors trying to train equivalent models without the safeguards?
- matheusmoreira 4mo ago
  More like concerned about distillation.
- sarchertech 4mo ago
  If a for profit company does a thing that could be motivated by profit or altruism, which of those 2 motivations do you think is most likely?
  - solenoid0937 4mo ago
    When they've repeatedly made decisions against their for profit nature, it changes the calculus a bit.
    - nullbio 4mo ago
      They haven't though. There's a long term plan here, and the goal is power and wealth. Short term moves that appear irrational turn out to be rational (from a greed perspective) when you factor in other considerations, like: Use their own AGI to create every software product on Earth and swallow the worlds economy. And we're kindly feeding their systems our codebases, IP and business decision-making so they can do exactly that. Not a single thing Anthropic has done has been altruistic, and it never will be. It's all smoke and mirrors for the end goal.
      - solenoid0937 4mo ago
        If this was true they'd never have picked a fight with the DOW and they'd release Fable without safeguards.
        sarchertech 4mo ago
        How do you not recognize that the safeguards provide obvious benefits to the company?
- nullbio 4mo ago
  Why invent new motives for Anthropic when their real motives are plain and obvious and have been confirmed time and time again by their behavior over the last few years? Their concern is their own power and wealth. Every other conceivable motive is secondary to that.

weakened_malloc 4mo ago

The "guardrails" are just Anthropic's attempt at building a moat. Guarantee they'll be seeking regulation around AI as well to ensure a form of regulatory capture. Guardrails, in this context, are useless. Anyone who's sufficiently motivated will either get around them, or will just run their own model on their home hardware. There's already tools that one can use to remove the guardrails present in open weight models.

CraftingLinks 4mo ago

Guardrails against what? Rehashing public wikipedia information? Execution matters, and they did a trurly horrible job that crippled their product to the point of being useless and a joke. Huge mistakes were made and im sure they regret it already, heads will roll.