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I don't want to make it sound like posting online is some heroic act, but they've murdered multiple protesters. It's at least a little brave to say you won't st

I don't want to make it sound like posting online is some heroic act, but they've murdered multiple protesters. It's at least a little brave to say you won't stand for it.

profdevloper 5mo ago
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- mothballed 5mo ago
  This is presented as some kind of proverb, but it's actually quite useless. If you don't interfere with law enforcement, bad things can also happen. The only reason Cliven Bundy is still ranching his cattle on that land in Nevada to this day is because he "interfered with law enforcement activities." This isn't to advocate a choice one way or the other, but your statement is facially devoid of actionable information.
- kashunstva 5mo ago
  I suppose in some sense ICE is a law enforcement group; but witnessing their wanton behaviour in Minneapolis, ramming vehicles, breaking into homes without a warrant, use of disproportionately deadly force, … it’s a stretch to imagine that one is interfering with “the good guys” who should otherwise be serving the law with care and restraint. Neither of the citizens murdered in Minneapolis were interfering with law enforcement, at least as I define “law enforcement” and “interfere.”
  - profdevloper 5mo ago
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    - grumio 5mo ago
      you claim Pretti interfered with LE from performing their duties. What causes you to believe that?
      - profdevloper 5mo ago
        Video footage of him attempting to smash taillights of LEO vehicles
        grumio 5mo ago
        Was that the day he died? Or earlier?
        profdevloper 5mo ago
        Actually seems like it was 2 weeks before the incident -- I stand corrected. Looks like he was in a shoving match with people (possible LEO) before he was tackled and the firearm discharged.
        grumio 5mo ago
        He was helping up a woman that was on the ground. LEO needlessly got involved and started and escalated the "shoving match." Dude. LEO shot him on purpose. You use the passive voice like it was a natural disaster or accident. He had no fire arm on him at the time of the shooting. Why are you so insistent on spinning things this way?
- SpicyLemonZest 5mo ago
  No, that’s not how things work in the United States. Law enforcement officers don’t have a general license to kill. Genuine interference with law enforcement is a crime, but if an officer kills someone for doing it, that’s still murder.
  - profdevloper 5mo ago
    No, they don't, but real life is messy and the good guy doesn't always win. When you intentionally put yourself in a chaotic situation, bad things can happen. It's unclear if deadly force was justified in either the Good or Pretti cases, but that's for the courts to decide -- they were certainly avoidable and needless tragedies.
    - SpicyLemonZest 5mo ago
      If the courts were to decide either of those cases, I would defer to their judgment. The Trump administration has made it clear that they're going to try and stop those cases from ever reaching a court, though, so in the absence of a court judgment I'm going to keep calling them murders.
      - profdevloper 5mo ago
        Guilty until proven innocent
        text0404 5mo ago
        > Guilty until proven innocent This is a description of your stance on Alex Pretti.
        profdevloper 5mo ago
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        5mo ago

I don't want to make it sound like posting online is some heroic act, but they've murdered multiple protesters. It's at least a little brave to say you won't stand for it.

profdevloper 5mo ago

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mothballed 5mo ago
This is presented as some kind of proverb, but it's actually quite useless. If you don't interfere with law enforcement, bad things can also happen. The only reason Cliven Bundy is still ranching his cattle on that land in Nevada to this day is because he "interfered with law enforcement activities." This isn't to advocate a choice one way or the other, but your statement is facially devoid of actionable information.
kashunstva 5mo ago
I suppose in some sense ICE is a law enforcement group; but witnessing their wanton behaviour in Minneapolis, ramming vehicles, breaking into homes without a warrant, use of disproportionately deadly force, … it’s a stretch to imagine that one is interfering with “the good guys” who should otherwise be serving the law with care and restraint. Neither of the citizens murdered in Minneapolis were interfering with law enforcement, at least as I define “law enforcement” and “interfere.”
- profdevloper 5mo ago
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  - grumio 5mo ago
    you claim Pretti interfered with LE from performing their duties. What causes you to believe that?
    - profdevloper 5mo ago
      Video footage of him attempting to smash taillights of LEO vehicles
      - grumio 5mo ago
        Was that the day he died? Or earlier?
        profdevloper 5mo ago
        Actually seems like it was 2 weeks before the incident -- I stand corrected. Looks like he was in a shoving match with people (possible LEO) before he was tackled and the firearm discharged.
        grumio 5mo ago
        He was helping up a woman that was on the ground. LEO needlessly got involved and started and escalated the "shoving match." Dude. LEO shot him on purpose. You use the passive voice like it was a natural disaster or accident. He had no fire arm on him at the time of the shooting. Why are you so insistent on spinning things this way?
SpicyLemonZest 5mo ago
No, that’s not how things work in the United States. Law enforcement officers don’t have a general license to kill. Genuine interference with law enforcement is a crime, but if an officer kills someone for doing it, that’s still murder.
- profdevloper 5mo ago
  No, they don't, but real life is messy and the good guy doesn't always win. When you intentionally put yourself in a chaotic situation, bad things can happen. It's unclear if deadly force was justified in either the Good or Pretti cases, but that's for the courts to decide -- they were certainly avoidable and needless tragedies.
  - SpicyLemonZest 5mo ago
    If the courts were to decide either of those cases, I would defer to their judgment. The Trump administration has made it clear that they're going to try and stop those cases from ever reaching a court, though, so in the absence of a court judgment I'm going to keep calling them murders.
    - profdevloper 5mo ago
      Guilty until proven innocent
      - text0404 5mo ago
        > Guilty until proven innocent This is a description of your stance on Alex Pretti.
        profdevloper 5mo ago
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        5mo ago