3 ms·

You can do a bad job with any tool but you cannot do a good job with any tool.

swiftcoder 4mo ago
This is patently untrue, give a craftsman terrible tools, and they'll still produce a decent end result. That said, defaults matter, and astro is going to be significantly more friendly out-of-the-box to low-end clients
- whstl 4mo ago
  > give a craftsman terrible tools, and they'll still produce a decent end result This is an absurd statement. Just because something is a proverb, doesn't mean it's automatically true for all cases.
  - swiftcoder 4mo ago
    > Just because something is a proverb, doesn't mean it's automatically true for all cases. A professional woodcarver armed with only a metal spoon will still make a nicer woodcarving than I can given a full wood shop. Similarly, if you only give me notepad.exe, I can still make a pretty nice website. Does using the right tools make our lives easier? For sure. Using mildly-wrong tools (react, in this case) isn't going to hold us back very much though.
    - yawaramin 4mo ago
      How good are you at hammering nails with a screwdriver? Tools are important. We have a more apropos saying in our industry: use the right tool for the job. Don't let your brain get fried by the 'poor workman' adage, it's talking about the difference between an expensive tool and a cheap tool of the same kind, not two tools of different kinds entirely.
      - swiftcoder 4mo ago
        > it's talking about the difference between an expensive tool and a cheap tool of the same kind, not two tools of different kinds entirely. I have trouble seeing how React vs Astro is two tools of different kind entirely?
        whstl 4mo ago
        Astro itself uses React. It can use other libraries with it too, or just plain HTML, but it’s not in the same space. React can’t work on the backend by itself without Astro, Next.js, etc, or some hand-made micro-framework.
  - 8note 4mo ago
    i dont think thats a proverb though? the actual idiom is more like > A poor workman blames his tools which is towards the opposite meaning
    - hyperhello 4mo ago
      The presupposition is that workman chose his tools and brought them with him.

This is patently untrue, give a craftsman terrible tools, and they'll still produce a decent end result. That said, defaults matter, and astro is going to be significantly more friendly out-of-the-box to low-end clients

whstl 4mo ago
> give a craftsman terrible tools, and they'll still produce a decent end result This is an absurd statement. Just because something is a proverb, doesn't mean it's automatically true for all cases.
- swiftcoder 4mo ago
  > Just because something is a proverb, doesn't mean it's automatically true for all cases. A professional woodcarver armed with only a metal spoon will still make a nicer woodcarving than I can given a full wood shop. Similarly, if you only give me notepad.exe, I can still make a pretty nice website. Does using the right tools make our lives easier? For sure. Using mildly-wrong tools (react, in this case) isn't going to hold us back very much though.
  - yawaramin 4mo ago
    How good are you at hammering nails with a screwdriver? Tools are important. We have a more apropos saying in our industry: use the right tool for the job. Don't let your brain get fried by the 'poor workman' adage, it's talking about the difference between an expensive tool and a cheap tool of the same kind, not two tools of different kinds entirely.
    - swiftcoder 4mo ago
      > it's talking about the difference between an expensive tool and a cheap tool of the same kind, not two tools of different kinds entirely. I have trouble seeing how React vs Astro is two tools of different kind entirely?
      - whstl 4mo ago
        Astro itself uses React. It can use other libraries with it too, or just plain HTML, but it’s not in the same space. React can’t work on the backend by itself without Astro, Next.js, etc, or some hand-made micro-framework.
- 8note 4mo ago
  i dont think thats a proverb though? the actual idiom is more like > A poor workman blames his tools which is towards the opposite meaning
  - hyperhello 4mo ago
    The presupposition is that workman chose his tools and brought them with him.