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Let’s be real, chances are that the people with a lot of money on the line have given it more thought than the passing thought that you gave this comment.

cyanydeez 4mo ago
right, and they realize the money doesnt exist unless they inflate the values in shadow circles of flow.
lijok 4mo ago
You would be very, very surprised
- j-bos 4mo ago
  Yeah, seen some downright facepalm moves from execs regarding AI and security.
  - embedding-shape 4mo ago
    Don't even need to involve AI or security to be able to highlight some very strange decisions that seem more like intentional sabotage from the inside than anything else. Of course, people are more likely just dumb and lack long-term thinking.
chatmasta 4mo ago
They give it some thought, but Anthropic and AWS have the whole menu of compliance and security checkboxes needed to reassure CISO it doesn’t need to be “the office of no” and can allow the AI onboarding. The pressure to adopt and adapt to AI is so high right now that there’s nothing a CISO or CFO can say to stop its adoption. And the more they say “no” or “wait,” the more at-risk they put their job.
- realusername 4mo ago
  I know the only reason we are using Claude right now in my large org was because of this policy and another model would have been picked otherwise
  - flir 4mo ago
    A model that opens the slightest gap for a leak would be unacceptable to the org I work for. We are very paranoid about losing vulnerable customers' data.
    - chatmasta 4mo ago
      Anthropic has all the answers for that. You’ll go through some compliance exercises and classify them as a subprocessor of highest tier of data sensitivity.
      - calgoo 4mo ago
        Except they are an American corpo and there is no guarantee that the data will stay on EU servers, so that is a giant NO at the moment. This was the main reason to stick with Bedrock, as it supposedly stays within your aws account on the EU servers. Now? Whats the points in using Bedrock anymore apart from paying more.
      - realusername 4mo ago
        There's no way to do that with EU laws, the data has to stay on EU servers. That might work in some countries but Anthropic approach here doesn't fit the legal requirements in the EU.
        chatmasta 4mo ago
        What if the data goes to Anthropic EU servers?
        4mo ago
ReptileMan 4mo ago
Counter point - Marisa Mayer and Stephen Elop.
embedding-shape 4mo ago
> chances are that the people with a lot of money on the line have given it more thought Sure, but considering the average person and how short-term their thinking tends to be, I'm not sure I'd jump straight into "think about how much money they could lose, of course they think long-term".
wqaatwt 4mo ago
Intelligent individuals tend to make rational decisions very often this doesn’t result in rational behavior on the organizational level. Large corporations like Microslop, Google, Meta etc. were frequently behave like headless chickens
disgruntledphd2 4mo ago
> Let’s be real, chances are that the people with a lot of money on the line have given it more thought than the passing thought that you gave this comment. In theory, definitely. But this seems like a really, really, really no-good seriously bad decision from Anthropic. Like, I get why they want this (and can see it from their perspective), but many of their largest clients literally cannot allow this without regulator sign-off, which almost certainly won't be forthcoming. Like, if the Fed and the ECB say this is OK then it might work, but other than that I predict that this decision will be reversed ~soon.
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- brookst 4mo ago
  I’m not sure that’s true. Do the Fed and ECB sign off on telcos keeping records of who these companies called? Of car rental companies keeping records of where employees rented cars? As long as it’s service telemetry, not used for model training, not inspected by humans, not analyzed except for service purposes… I don’t see the regulatory issue. Are there any regulations covering what telemetry your service providers can keep? I’m skeptical, but even if so it would be trivial for Anthropic to exempt certain larger customers while still keeping the policy published as universal.
  - disgruntledphd2 4mo ago
    It's more that banks etc are special-cased in a lot of the law around this, which makes the Fed/ECB (more often national regulators aligned with these) really important in determining what they are and aren't allowed to do. By definition lots of the use of AI in these companies is gonna require personal data/PII etc (particularly in KYC/compliance or general processing usecases) which means that there's a regulatory constraint. I personally would've thought that said organisations and regulators would be massively opposed to this for privacy and risk reasons, which is why I think this won't happen. Even the companies with less sensitive data are generally paranoid about service providers getting "their" (actually their customers) data. > Are there any regulations covering what telemetry your service providers can keep? In the EU, this should be proportionate and should avoid special categories of personal data (which FIs will have a lot of).
panny 4mo ago
You've mistaken "a lot of money" with "intelligence." Which is why I think the AI crowd really really wants this magical machine god thing to succeed. Then they can really have money = intelligence whilst keeping the rest of us poor and stupid. You know, like how they used to prevent literacy among the slaves.
mrhottakes 4mo ago
Yeah, the AI bubble has been inflated to this size because the money people are thinking carefully and rationally.

cyanydeez 4mo ago

right, and they realize the money doesnt exist unless they inflate the values in shadow circles of flow.

lijok 4mo ago

You would be very, very surprised

j-bos 4mo ago
Yeah, seen some downright facepalm moves from execs regarding AI and security.
- embedding-shape 4mo ago
  Don't even need to involve AI or security to be able to highlight some very strange decisions that seem more like intentional sabotage from the inside than anything else. Of course, people are more likely just dumb and lack long-term thinking.

chatmasta 4mo ago

They give it some thought, but Anthropic and AWS have the whole menu of compliance and security checkboxes needed to reassure CISO it doesn’t need to be “the office of no” and can allow the AI onboarding. The pressure to adopt and adapt to AI is so high right now that there’s nothing a CISO or CFO can say to stop its adoption. And the more they say “no” or “wait,” the more at-risk they put their job.

realusername 4mo ago
I know the only reason we are using Claude right now in my large org was because of this policy and another model would have been picked otherwise
- flir 4mo ago
  A model that opens the slightest gap for a leak would be unacceptable to the org I work for. We are very paranoid about losing vulnerable customers' data.
  - chatmasta 4mo ago
    Anthropic has all the answers for that. You’ll go through some compliance exercises and classify them as a subprocessor of highest tier of data sensitivity.
    - calgoo 4mo ago
      Except they are an American corpo and there is no guarantee that the data will stay on EU servers, so that is a giant NO at the moment. This was the main reason to stick with Bedrock, as it supposedly stays within your aws account on the EU servers. Now? Whats the points in using Bedrock anymore apart from paying more.
    - realusername 4mo ago
      There's no way to do that with EU laws, the data has to stay on EU servers. That might work in some countries but Anthropic approach here doesn't fit the legal requirements in the EU.
      - chatmasta 4mo ago
        What if the data goes to Anthropic EU servers?
        4mo ago

ReptileMan 4mo ago

Counter point - Marisa Mayer and Stephen Elop.

embedding-shape 4mo ago

> chances are that the people with a lot of money on the line have given it more thought Sure, but considering the average person and how short-term their thinking tends to be, I'm not sure I'd jump straight into "think about how much money they could lose, of course they think long-term".

wqaatwt 4mo ago

Intelligent individuals tend to make rational decisions very often this doesn’t result in rational behavior on the organizational level. Large corporations like Microslop, Google, Meta etc. were frequently behave like headless chickens

disgruntledphd2 4mo ago

> Let’s be real, chances are that the people with a lot of money on the line have given it more thought than the passing thought that you gave this comment. In theory, definitely. But this seems like a really, really, really no-good seriously bad decision from Anthropic. Like, I get why they want this (and can see it from their perspective), but many of their largest clients literally cannot allow this without regulator sign-off, which almost certainly won't be forthcoming. Like, if the Fed and the ECB say this is OK then it might work, but other than that I predict that this decision will be reversed ~soon.

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brookst 4mo ago
I’m not sure that’s true. Do the Fed and ECB sign off on telcos keeping records of who these companies called? Of car rental companies keeping records of where employees rented cars? As long as it’s service telemetry, not used for model training, not inspected by humans, not analyzed except for service purposes… I don’t see the regulatory issue. Are there any regulations covering what telemetry your service providers can keep? I’m skeptical, but even if so it would be trivial for Anthropic to exempt certain larger customers while still keeping the policy published as universal.
- disgruntledphd2 4mo ago
  It's more that banks etc are special-cased in a lot of the law around this, which makes the Fed/ECB (more often national regulators aligned with these) really important in determining what they are and aren't allowed to do. By definition lots of the use of AI in these companies is gonna require personal data/PII etc (particularly in KYC/compliance or general processing usecases) which means that there's a regulatory constraint. I personally would've thought that said organisations and regulators would be massively opposed to this for privacy and risk reasons, which is why I think this won't happen. Even the companies with less sensitive data are generally paranoid about service providers getting "their" (actually their customers) data. > Are there any regulations covering what telemetry your service providers can keep? In the EU, this should be proportionate and should avoid special categories of personal data (which FIs will have a lot of).

panny 4mo ago

You've mistaken "a lot of money" with "intelligence." Which is why I think the AI crowd really really wants this magical machine god thing to succeed. Then they can really have money = intelligence whilst keeping the rest of us poor and stupid. You know, like how they used to prevent literacy among the slaves.

mrhottakes 4mo ago

Yeah, the AI bubble has been inflated to this size because the money people are thinking carefully and rationally.