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You'd think so, along with other countries that have defamation laws. But there's no indication of any penalty, and Google wasn't even made to pay all the legal

You'd think so, along with other countries that have defamation laws. But there's no indication of any penalty, and Google wasn't even made to pay all the legal fees. Perhaps their business model (if there is any) can cope.

dawnerd 4mo ago
And lawyers will use this case to build a better defense next time.
CamperBob2 4mo ago
In sane countries, it's enough for them to post a disclaimer ("This is AI. AI can make mistakes. Check all results.") Which is what they do. Overregulation, at best, is a good way to guarantee that your country won't have access to interesting and useful features and technologies. At worst, it's a good way to guarantee that the twenty-first century will belong to the US, if not to China.
- tadfisher 4mo ago
  Okay then, CamperBob2 is a scammer. Many users report this person has stolen money. (+3 sources) I can make mistakes. It's on you to fact-check my claims. Do you think these are harmless statements? Does the disclaimer suffice? If I was Google's AI Overview, do you think 100% of people will check those sources? There is nuance here, and it's not going away because AI and innovation.
  - CamperBob2 4mo ago
    Do you think these are harmless statements? Yes, I do. An assertion made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, whether it comes from Google or from you. If you demand perfection, you will receive nothing. Why is that so hard for people to understand? The world simply cannot work the way you say it should.
    - oaiey 4mo ago
      If it is shown to millions, everyone who is interested in you, they are factually not fact checking and you can do nothing against it. It can destroy you. You are analyzing this on the assumption that people are rational and have capacity to do the check. They have neither.
      - CamperBob2 4mo ago
        (Shrug) That sounds like their problem, if they reflexively believe everything Google's AI tells them. No one I respect, care for, or work with would believe such a thing without additional justification. Anyone who does accept Google's AI output blindly will soon find that their mistaken opinion of CamperBob2 is the least of their problems. There is a reason Google goes (well) out of their way to warn people that the results may be wrong. That should be sufficient warning for reasonable people of good faith.
        wsng 4mo ago
        The ones who were defamed are companies, and the ones who don’t check the AI generated response are their potential customers which won’t buy from them. It is obvious that the defamed companies are the ones having a problem, not the ignorant viewers. Why should those companies not hold Google liable for that outcome?
        9dev 4mo ago
        Are you really that ignorant of the past? There are so many cases of people suffering from wrong accusations. They get death threats. People harass them on the street. Throw stones into their windows. Beat up their kids. Trash their car. Deny them jobs, or leases, kick them out of their apartment. You have no idea what it can mean to end up in such a situation.
        WarmWash 4mo ago
        The source of the accusation is arguably more impactful than the accusation itself. No one with a straight face would compare an AI overview saying someone is an asshole to the New York Times running a story saying someone is an asshole.
  - oaiey 4mo ago
    You forgot to mention that it is the real name and it is shown to everyone who has interest in you and they are not fact checking.

dawnerd 4mo ago

And lawyers will use this case to build a better defense next time.

CamperBob2 4mo ago

In sane countries, it's enough for them to post a disclaimer ("This is AI. AI can make mistakes. Check all results.") Which is what they do. Overregulation, at best, is a good way to guarantee that your country won't have access to interesting and useful features and technologies. At worst, it's a good way to guarantee that the twenty-first century will belong to the US, if not to China.

tadfisher 4mo ago
Okay then, CamperBob2 is a scammer. Many users report this person has stolen money. (+3 sources) I can make mistakes. It's on you to fact-check my claims. Do you think these are harmless statements? Does the disclaimer suffice? If I was Google's AI Overview, do you think 100% of people will check those sources? There is nuance here, and it's not going away because AI and innovation.
- CamperBob2 4mo ago
  Do you think these are harmless statements? Yes, I do. An assertion made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, whether it comes from Google or from you. If you demand perfection, you will receive nothing. Why is that so hard for people to understand? The world simply cannot work the way you say it should.
  - oaiey 4mo ago
    If it is shown to millions, everyone who is interested in you, they are factually not fact checking and you can do nothing against it. It can destroy you. You are analyzing this on the assumption that people are rational and have capacity to do the check. They have neither.
    - CamperBob2 4mo ago
      (Shrug) That sounds like their problem, if they reflexively believe everything Google's AI tells them. No one I respect, care for, or work with would believe such a thing without additional justification. Anyone who does accept Google's AI output blindly will soon find that their mistaken opinion of CamperBob2 is the least of their problems. There is a reason Google goes (well) out of their way to warn people that the results may be wrong. That should be sufficient warning for reasonable people of good faith.
      - wsng 4mo ago
        The ones who were defamed are companies, and the ones who don’t check the AI generated response are their potential customers which won’t buy from them. It is obvious that the defamed companies are the ones having a problem, not the ignorant viewers. Why should those companies not hold Google liable for that outcome?
      - 9dev 4mo ago
        Are you really that ignorant of the past? There are so many cases of people suffering from wrong accusations. They get death threats. People harass them on the street. Throw stones into their windows. Beat up their kids. Trash their car. Deny them jobs, or leases, kick them out of their apartment. You have no idea what it can mean to end up in such a situation.
        WarmWash 4mo ago
        The source of the accusation is arguably more impactful than the accusation itself. No one with a straight face would compare an AI overview saying someone is an asshole to the New York Times running a story saying someone is an asshole.
- oaiey 4mo ago
  You forgot to mention that it is the real name and it is shown to everyone who has interest in you and they are not fact checking.