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No, this is unrelated from privacy. The issue is that the EU won’t allow the new Siri because Apple isn’t willing to open up the system enough for 3rd party AI

No, this is unrelated from privacy. The issue is that the EU won’t allow the new Siri because Apple isn’t willing to open up the system enough for 3rd party AI agents to get the same functionality.

MBCook 4mo ago
Which I would argue is HARDER to do while preserving privacy.
dd8601fn 4mo ago
Functionally the EU is requiring that Apple dramatically RELAX their privacy and security postures. I’m sure Apple doesn’t want to cave and give OpenAI free access to the spotlight semantic db, the ability see what’s on your screen at all times, etc.
- inetknght 4mo ago
  > Functionally the EU is requiring that Apple dramatically RELAX their privacy and security postures. No. Interoperability doesn't require Apple relax their privacy and security postures. It could instead require third parties to improve theirs.
  - wtallis 4mo ago
    > It could instead require third parties to improve theirs. Apple made it sound like their proposal for that was rejected by the EU. And it would be consistent with previous regulatory decisions by the EU for them to not want Apple to be setting the rules for how third-party interoperability partners/competitors ensure privacy. It seems to me that the EU has a preference for protecting privacy with legal mechanisms, and generally doesn't approve of Apple's attempts to protect privacy with technical mechanisms because that inevitably limits interoperability with systems that aren't designed around the same restrictions and assumptions.
    - dd8601fn 4mo ago
      I’m sure they love it when Apple says, “Well… they COULD give us their models to put in private compute, but we’re not paying them for that and they’re not getting any more data than we get, ourselves. Which is exactly none.”
  - tzs 4mo ago
    Would that be allowed under EU law? Apple is building a system that is more private than EU law requires. If they tell say Facebook that Facebook can integrate in but first must meet the same more than is legally required standard Apple is aiming for wouldn't that be anti-competitive?
- microtonal 4mo ago
  Same as you wouldn't want every app to read your contacts or location. If we only had something to do that. </s>
butlike 4mo ago
Because Siri is the brand and other competitors will dilute the brand with their inferior products, is the line of reasoning, I'm sure. I'm unclear on why apple is branding the AI launcher or whatever if it's just going to be a wrapper for a third party product, however.

MBCook 4mo ago

Which I would argue is HARDER to do while preserving privacy.

dd8601fn 4mo ago

Functionally the EU is requiring that Apple dramatically RELAX their privacy and security postures. I’m sure Apple doesn’t want to cave and give OpenAI free access to the spotlight semantic db, the ability see what’s on your screen at all times, etc.

inetknght 4mo ago
> Functionally the EU is requiring that Apple dramatically RELAX their privacy and security postures. No. Interoperability doesn't require Apple relax their privacy and security postures. It could instead require third parties to improve theirs.
- wtallis 4mo ago
  > It could instead require third parties to improve theirs. Apple made it sound like their proposal for that was rejected by the EU. And it would be consistent with previous regulatory decisions by the EU for them to not want Apple to be setting the rules for how third-party interoperability partners/competitors ensure privacy. It seems to me that the EU has a preference for protecting privacy with legal mechanisms, and generally doesn't approve of Apple's attempts to protect privacy with technical mechanisms because that inevitably limits interoperability with systems that aren't designed around the same restrictions and assumptions.
  - dd8601fn 4mo ago
    I’m sure they love it when Apple says, “Well… they COULD give us their models to put in private compute, but we’re not paying them for that and they’re not getting any more data than we get, ourselves. Which is exactly none.”
- tzs 4mo ago
  Would that be allowed under EU law? Apple is building a system that is more private than EU law requires. If they tell say Facebook that Facebook can integrate in but first must meet the same more than is legally required standard Apple is aiming for wouldn't that be anti-competitive?
microtonal 4mo ago
Same as you wouldn't want every app to read your contacts or location. If we only had something to do that. </s>

butlike 4mo ago

Because Siri is the brand and other competitors will dilute the brand with their inferior products, is the line of reasoning, I'm sure. I'm unclear on why apple is branding the AI launcher or whatever if it's just going to be a wrapper for a third party product, however.