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Peak Apple "innovation" incoming!

by nsbk 4mo ago

nemomarx 4mo ago
Hey, if they can get the hinge working better it might improve the category at least. You'd expect Apple to do well at manufacturing for that kinda stuff
- nsbk 4mo ago
  Agree, their "innovations" usually involve taking an existing concept or idea and executing it better. Hopefully they can pull that off and raise the bar for foldable electronics
  - rjrjrjrj 4mo ago
    The idea is the easy part. Execution is the hard part.
  - MisterTea 4mo ago
    They also buy a lot of their innovations. See Intrinsity, a fabless semi company Apple bought which lead to their Mobile Arm chips and eventually the M series.
- m463 4mo ago
  folding butterfly keyboard on a folding phone would be a real comeback.
abirch 4mo ago
Apple hasn't "invented" most things, from the personal computer, MP3 Player, or smart phone. They tend to revolutionize the things by making them work extremely well.
- hatsix 4mo ago
  if by 'revolutionize', you mean 'let everybody else spend time, effort and money developing the idea, and once they've proven the market they buy an interesting company in the space with tons of patents, shut down everything they'd done before and make their interesting and take credit for the revolution, meanwhile, their new presence in the area mutes actual innovation, because they use all of the oxygen in the room'... sure, yeah, they do that... but the revolution was coming whether Apple participated or not. Apple is great at winning capitalism.
  - rjrjrjrj 4mo ago
    This take is completely divorced from reality.
  - nozzlegear 4mo ago
    That's obviously not what they mean.
  - hbn 4mo ago
    Before Apple Silicon, who was making equivalent laptops? Highly competitive performance, great battery life, instant wake from sleep, pristine build quality, etc. Forget before Apple Silicon, who's making an equivalent laptop now?
  - azan_ 4mo ago
    > Apple is great at winning capitalism. Exactly, they deliver products that are better than their competition and thanks to that they got extremely rich. It's a great example of capitalism working as intended.
nimbius 4mo ago
"hey guys remember that screen technology that came out seven years ago and has had plenty of time to mature? Well our 65 year old CEO just discovered it and has found a way to make it stratospherically more expensive than its ever been before!"
rafram 4mo ago
Current foldables are fragile, require a built-in plastic screen protector, and have a visible crease. Apple is very unlikely to be willing to accept those compromises. We'll see, but I think their entry into the field will change things.
- brk 4mo ago
  15 years ago, I would agree that Apple might not have been willing to accept those kinds of issues. I'm not sure about the Apple of today. That is not a slight against any Apple leadership, but I do feel that, for a variety of reasons, the level of minimum QC has notched back a bit in the pursuit of marketshare.
  - MrDunham 4mo ago
    The iPhone camera bump is the "jumped the shark" moment for me when Apple went from unwilling to accept that level of quality to "I'm not sure... they might". Speculative to be sure, but I believe that if Jobs was alive we'd have a paper thin camera sensor because the bump would have been a nonstarter. Same regarding your comment... I agree, the minimum QC does feel like it notched back a bit.
    - rjrjrjrj 4mo ago
      I disagree. The camera bump was functional pragmatism winning out over Jony Ive's increasingly form-driven ideals. Even the Jobs Reality Distortion Field couldn't alter physics.
  - rafram 4mo ago
    Sure this isn't just nostalgia / rose-tinted glasses speaking? In the 2010s, Apple shipped MacBooks with GPUs that fried themselves to death, and iPhones that bent in your pocket and lost cell signal if you held them wrong. Today's Apple does have some software quality issues, but their hardware is the best it's ever been.
    - brk 4mo ago

Peak Apple "innovation" incoming!

by nsbk 4mo ago

Peak Apple "innovation" incoming!

Hey, if they can get the hinge working better it might improve the category at least. You'd expect Apple to do well at manufacturing for that kinda stuff

nsbk 4mo ago
Agree, their "innovations" usually involve taking an existing concept or idea and executing it better. Hopefully they can pull that off and raise the bar for foldable electronics
- rjrjrjrj 4mo ago
  The idea is the easy part. Execution is the hard part.
- MisterTea 4mo ago
  They also buy a lot of their innovations. See Intrinsity, a fabless semi company Apple bought which lead to their Mobile Arm chips and eventually the M series.
m463 4mo ago
folding butterfly keyboard on a folding phone would be a real comeback.

abirch 4mo ago

Apple hasn't "invented" most things, from the personal computer, MP3 Player, or smart phone. They tend to revolutionize the things by making them work extremely well.

hatsix 4mo ago
if by 'revolutionize', you mean 'let everybody else spend time, effort and money developing the idea, and once they've proven the market they buy an interesting company in the space with tons of patents, shut down everything they'd done before and make their interesting and take credit for the revolution, meanwhile, their new presence in the area mutes actual innovation, because they use all of the oxygen in the room'... sure, yeah, they do that... but the revolution was coming whether Apple participated or not. Apple is great at winning capitalism.
- rjrjrjrj 4mo ago
  This take is completely divorced from reality.
- nozzlegear 4mo ago
  That's obviously not what they mean.
- hbn 4mo ago
  Before Apple Silicon, who was making equivalent laptops? Highly competitive performance, great battery life, instant wake from sleep, pristine build quality, etc. Forget before Apple Silicon, who's making an equivalent laptop now?
- azan_ 4mo ago
  > Apple is great at winning capitalism. Exactly, they deliver products that are better than their competition and thanks to that they got extremely rich. It's a great example of capitalism working as intended.

nimbius 4mo ago

"hey guys remember that screen technology that came out seven years ago and has had plenty of time to mature? Well our 65 year old CEO just discovered it and has found a way to make it stratospherically more expensive than its ever been before!"

rafram 4mo ago

Current foldables are fragile, require a built-in plastic screen protector, and have a visible crease. Apple is very unlikely to be willing to accept those compromises. We'll see, but I think their entry into the field will change things.

brk 4mo ago
15 years ago, I would agree that Apple might not have been willing to accept those kinds of issues. I'm not sure about the Apple of today. That is not a slight against any Apple leadership, but I do feel that, for a variety of reasons, the level of minimum QC has notched back a bit in the pursuit of marketshare.
- MrDunham 4mo ago
  The iPhone camera bump is the "jumped the shark" moment for me when Apple went from unwilling to accept that level of quality to "I'm not sure... they might". Speculative to be sure, but I believe that if Jobs was alive we'd have a paper thin camera sensor because the bump would have been a nonstarter. Same regarding your comment... I agree, the minimum QC does feel like it notched back a bit.
  - rjrjrjrj 4mo ago
    I disagree. The camera bump was functional pragmatism winning out over Jony Ive's increasingly form-driven ideals. Even the Jobs Reality Distortion Field couldn't alter physics.
- rafram 4mo ago
  Sure this isn't just nostalgia / rose-tinted glasses speaking? In the 2010s, Apple shipped MacBooks with GPUs that fried themselves to death, and iPhones that bent in your pocket and lost cell signal if you held them wrong. Today's Apple does have some software quality issues, but their hardware is the best it's ever been.
  - brk 4mo ago