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Imagine how crazy it is to think "Switzerland out of Schengen" isn't. It's a small, landlocked country, surrounded on all sides by Schengen nations, that until

Imagine how crazy it is to think "Switzerland out of Schengen" isn't. It's a small, landlocked country, surrounded on all sides by Schengen nations, that until recently delegated air defense to the EU outside of their air force's office hours. https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2014/feb/19/swiss-air-force-ethiopian-airlines-hijacking-office-hours https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2014/feb/19/swis...

seanmcdirmid 5mo ago
Plenty of us remember when Switzerland was not in the Schengen though. This might be good for Americans, who haven't been able to get working visas in Switzerland since EU countries now have priority. But otherwise, I don't see much changing beyond border procedures.
- ceejayoz 5mo ago
  As with Brexit, leaving is likely to result in a much stricter regime than the status quo from before the establishment of the system.
  - seanmcdirmid 5mo ago
    True, maybe. It is really hard to say. I'm not pro leaving in any sense (beyond being an American who used to work in Switzerland and wouldn't have that chance today because of the Schengen).
- luke5441 5mo ago
  Most of the downsides would be on the goods side. Swiss companies would loose market access and the chance of "better" trade agreements is even worse then the UK, especially currently.
greenavocado 5mo ago
I already pass through Swiss customs when driving in, so it makes virtually no difference to me besides slowing things down at the border potentially.
- ceejayoz 5mo ago
  Schengen covers border controls (i.e. immigration/visits), not customs ones (the stuff you bring with).
  - greenavocado 5mo ago
    When you drive through there is someone standing looking at the line of cars and if they don't like the way you look they point to the side and you have to explain yourself and your cargo. It's like an arbitrary border control right now. Most of the time I'm waved through.
    - herbst 5mo ago
      To be fair there is the same thing between Austria and Germany for example. Except it's more strict there even.
    - ceejayoz 5mo ago
      Yes, I'm aware of the current state of things. This is a proposal to change that state to something far stricter in this regard.
greenavocado 5mo ago
When the neighboring countries become a threat again, they will place high explosives back inside the bridges and mountain passes.
- herbst 5mo ago
  Not sure if they actually removed it in all the places, except that one bridge by Basel everyone know about.
- izacus 5mo ago
  Well they also blow up 70% of their exports? :P

seanmcdirmid 5mo ago

Plenty of us remember when Switzerland was not in the Schengen though. This might be good for Americans, who haven't been able to get working visas in Switzerland since EU countries now have priority. But otherwise, I don't see much changing beyond border procedures.

ceejayoz 5mo ago
As with Brexit, leaving is likely to result in a much stricter regime than the status quo from before the establishment of the system.
- seanmcdirmid 5mo ago
  True, maybe. It is really hard to say. I'm not pro leaving in any sense (beyond being an American who used to work in Switzerland and wouldn't have that chance today because of the Schengen).
luke5441 5mo ago
Most of the downsides would be on the goods side. Swiss companies would loose market access and the chance of "better" trade agreements is even worse then the UK, especially currently.

greenavocado 5mo ago

I already pass through Swiss customs when driving in, so it makes virtually no difference to me besides slowing things down at the border potentially.

ceejayoz 5mo ago
Schengen covers border controls (i.e. immigration/visits), not customs ones (the stuff you bring with).
- greenavocado 5mo ago
  When you drive through there is someone standing looking at the line of cars and if they don't like the way you look they point to the side and you have to explain yourself and your cargo. It's like an arbitrary border control right now. Most of the time I'm waved through.
  - herbst 5mo ago
    To be fair there is the same thing between Austria and Germany for example. Except it's more strict there even.
  - ceejayoz 5mo ago
    Yes, I'm aware of the current state of things. This is a proposal to change that state to something far stricter in this regard.

greenavocado 5mo ago

When the neighboring countries become a threat again, they will place high explosives back inside the bridges and mountain passes.

herbst 5mo ago
Not sure if they actually removed it in all the places, except that one bridge by Basel everyone know about.
izacus 5mo ago
Well they also blow up 70% of their exports? :P