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I hope they redesign their magic mouse. It's not a real product.

by xiaoyu2006 4mo ago

kqp 4mo ago
I think it’s basically recalcitrance. Same as they suddenly turn into the world’s worst devs every time they have to make software for Windows. Apple hates mouses, but many people won’t consider not using one, so they reluctantly make an expensive, pretty, and absolutely terrible mouse to get you over the hump of the macOS switch then keep pushing you along to where they really want you: the giant touchpad, where they do have a moat, and which trains you for the rest of their ecosystem. They even sneak half of that touchpad into the mouse itself, and half of the mouse out, so the transition is oh so easy.
- yurishimo 4mo ago
  I have been a desktop trackpad user for so long now, I literally don’t want to use a mouse for anything except playing video games. The amount of flexibility offered by a good trackpad just wins most of the time as it is plenty accurate for quickly jumping around on one axis. With a large enough trackpad, you could even move to a 1:1 type of movement, or add that functionality to a layer for the best of both worlds (like gyro enhanced aiming in games).
  - _doctor_love 4mo ago
    Wacom wants your money! I’ve worked with some designers who did what you described with their huge tablets. Use the stylus to turn it into a giant touchpad. Works pretty good.
yurishimo 4mo ago
Do you use a Magic Mouse? It’s really not that bad if your only computer use consists of social media and the occasional budgeting spreadsheet. And before you mention it, yes the charging cable. In reality, plugging it in for literally 1 minute will get you enough battery to last hours. 5 minutes will get you an entire day. Normal people plug it in and go get a coffee or pee and then it’s fine until they log off for the day. Could it better? Of course, but it’s not so large an issue that they are losing customers on it, so it is what it is. You’re not the target market for an Apple mouse and that’s okay.
- ashdksnndck 4mo ago
  You’ve convinced me. I hope on the next iPhone, they make it so you have to put the MagSafe puck on the front where the screen is instead of that back where it is now.
- spartanatreyu 4mo ago
  It's not just the terrible charging that makes it a bad product. It's also the terrible ergonomics. It's the epitome of putting form before function. It's a desk ornament that leads to frequent injuries with use. See: https://www.google.com/search?q=magic+mouse+injury https://www.google.com/search?q=magic+mouse+injury
  - wookmaster 4mo ago
    I was always baffled by people who use the Apple mouse and keyboard my wrists hurt just looking at them
- m463 4mo ago
  "You’re not the target market" Unfortunately I had to learn this when I got my first mac. You don't have to go very deep into the ecosystem to encounter things that... well, things bottom out at shallow. Looking back... glossy displays. flat keyboards without curvature to center your fingers on the keys. more and more hurdles to using macos as a technical person. prematurely missing USB-A. memory/storage that's not expandable. Dongles everywhere as a checkbox item/workaround. and of course, anything that superficially seems to be a mouse.
numpad0 4mo ago
obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMX2cQdPubk&t=737s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMX2cQdPubk&t=737s
- xiaoyu2006 4mo ago
  How is Magic Mouse even close to ergonomics lol
acdha 4mo ago
This is off-topic and it’s especially a waste of attention because it’s a social media meme, not a real problem. People who actually use them don’t spend time talking about it because it means every few months you plug it in long enough for a coffee break, and in return you can use it for many years without the connector breaking.
- wtallis 4mo ago
  Even if you set aside the stupid charging situation, it's still a bad mouse. The multitouch capabilities are not well used by the software, and it's the only mouse I've ever used that routinely sends scroll events while I'm just trying to click or drag. Their laptops are pretty good at rejecting accidental touchpad inputs despite those touchpads being quite large, but the mouse is a constant source of unintentional inputs.
  - ksec 4mo ago
    This! It is a bad design because it is a compromise. It is flat because of the need of multitouch, which doesn't get used. And because of this flatness it is not ergonomic to hold it. It is neither a good trackpad replacement nor a good mouse design.
    - zapzupnz 4mo ago
      > which doesn’t get used Any non-anecdotal data on that assertion?
  - acdha 4mo ago
    I can’t say I’ve ever had that problem. Multitouch still works great on the one I bought in 2010 after near daily usage. You’re not required to like it, of course, but I think it’s a question of personal preferences more than an objective good/bad verdict.
m463 4mo ago
Best I can say about it - at least it's not round. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_puck_mouse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_puck_mouse

I hope they redesign their magic mouse. It's not a real product.

kqp 4mo ago

I think it’s basically recalcitrance. Same as they suddenly turn into the world’s worst devs every time they have to make software for Windows. Apple hates mouses, but many people won’t consider not using one, so they reluctantly make an expensive, pretty, and absolutely terrible mouse to get you over the hump of the macOS switch then keep pushing you along to where they really want you: the giant touchpad, where they do have a moat, and which trains you for the rest of their ecosystem. They even sneak half of that touchpad into the mouse itself, and half of the mouse out, so the transition is oh so easy.

yurishimo 4mo ago
I have been a desktop trackpad user for so long now, I literally don’t want to use a mouse for anything except playing video games. The amount of flexibility offered by a good trackpad just wins most of the time as it is plenty accurate for quickly jumping around on one axis. With a large enough trackpad, you could even move to a 1:1 type of movement, or add that functionality to a layer for the best of both worlds (like gyro enhanced aiming in games).
- _doctor_love 4mo ago
  Wacom wants your money! I’ve worked with some designers who did what you described with their huge tablets. Use the stylus to turn it into a giant touchpad. Works pretty good.

yurishimo 4mo ago

Do you use a Magic Mouse? It’s really not that bad if your only computer use consists of social media and the occasional budgeting spreadsheet. And before you mention it, yes the charging cable. In reality, plugging it in for literally 1 minute will get you enough battery to last hours. 5 minutes will get you an entire day. Normal people plug it in and go get a coffee or pee and then it’s fine until they log off for the day. Could it better? Of course, but it’s not so large an issue that they are losing customers on it, so it is what it is. You’re not the target market for an Apple mouse and that’s okay.

ashdksnndck 4mo ago
You’ve convinced me. I hope on the next iPhone, they make it so you have to put the MagSafe puck on the front where the screen is instead of that back where it is now.
spartanatreyu 4mo ago
It's not just the terrible charging that makes it a bad product. It's also the terrible ergonomics. It's the epitome of putting form before function. It's a desk ornament that leads to frequent injuries with use. See: https://www.google.com/search?q=magic+mouse+injury https://www.google.com/search?q=magic+mouse+injury
- wookmaster 4mo ago
  I was always baffled by people who use the Apple mouse and keyboard my wrists hurt just looking at them
m463 4mo ago
"You’re not the target market" Unfortunately I had to learn this when I got my first mac. You don't have to go very deep into the ecosystem to encounter things that... well, things bottom out at shallow. Looking back... glossy displays. flat keyboards without curvature to center your fingers on the keys. more and more hurdles to using macos as a technical person. prematurely missing USB-A. memory/storage that's not expandable. Dongles everywhere as a checkbox item/workaround. and of course, anything that superficially seems to be a mouse.

numpad0 4mo ago

obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMX2cQdPubk&t=737s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMX2cQdPubk&t=737s

xiaoyu2006 4mo ago
How is Magic Mouse even close to ergonomics lol

acdha 4mo ago

This is off-topic and it’s especially a waste of attention because it’s a social media meme, not a real problem. People who actually use them don’t spend time talking about it because it means every few months you plug it in long enough for a coffee break, and in return you can use it for many years without the connector breaking.

wtallis 4mo ago
Even if you set aside the stupid charging situation, it's still a bad mouse. The multitouch capabilities are not well used by the software, and it's the only mouse I've ever used that routinely sends scroll events while I'm just trying to click or drag. Their laptops are pretty good at rejecting accidental touchpad inputs despite those touchpads being quite large, but the mouse is a constant source of unintentional inputs.
- ksec 4mo ago
  This! It is a bad design because it is a compromise. It is flat because of the need of multitouch, which doesn't get used. And because of this flatness it is not ergonomic to hold it. It is neither a good trackpad replacement nor a good mouse design.
  - zapzupnz 4mo ago
    > which doesn’t get used Any non-anecdotal data on that assertion?
- acdha 4mo ago
  I can’t say I’ve ever had that problem. Multitouch still works great on the one I bought in 2010 after near daily usage. You’re not required to like it, of course, but I think it’s a question of personal preferences more than an objective good/bad verdict.

m463 4mo ago

Best I can say about it - at least it's not round. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_puck_mouse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_puck_mouse