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Not by much. ChatGPT alone is among the most popular apps ever made, and it's available both inside and outside Apple's walled garden. Letting it reach audienc

Not by much. ChatGPT alone is among the most popular apps ever made, and it's available both inside and outside Apple's walled garden. Letting it reach audience in countries where Apple doesn't have much of a foothold. I do wonder if new Siri is any good though. Apple used to be a genuine AI leader, but they totally sleepwalked through LLM revolution, and Siri's response quality was a sad joke for a while now. Did they bring it up to modern standard?

Schiendelman 4mo ago
Traffic from Siri to the web is much higher than traffic from OpenAI, generally. It's the default. People installing ChatGPT takes work. And some of that traffic is also coming from Siri today… It won't after this launches.
- ACCount37 4mo ago
  Because Siri defaults to dumb search much more often. While ChatGPT sucks up the search results and gives its own answer. Which either terminates the session, or goads the user into asking a follow-up question, improving retention - the user doesn't leave the app either way.
chasd00 4mo ago
> they totally sleepwalked through LLM revolution I don't think so, i don't think they want to be in the LLM laboratory business. They just want to leverage the technology to make money not invent it. Hence the reason why they made a deal with Google to license Gemini, let OpenAI and Anthropic fight it out while Apple just keeps making sales. I think they're betting that in the long run LLMs become a commodity more or less and the major labs go bankrupt/get acquired by their heavy duty investors. I feel like Athropic will goto Amazon (AWS) and OpenAI may end up property of Microsoft. Google will remain Google of course so they're not going anywhere which is probaly why they won the deal with Apple. I'm pretty confident it's Gemini behind the curtain for Siri.
- ACCount37 4mo ago
  They wanted to be. Thus their investment into Siri in the first place. A revolutionary system - for year 2011. As well as bleeding edge advances in computational photography, photogrammetry, etc. They just completely failed at capturing the modern chatbot wave. They tried to catch up multiple times and, ultimately, gave up on doing it in house. Not because they didn't try, but because they tried and found themselves lacking.
- leptons 4mo ago
  I can't wait for the moment Apple realizes that hardware makers will also get eaten by AI. Who needs a fancy and expensive macbook or iphone when all you'll really need is earbuds with an internet connection to talk to the AI that's hosted wherever, which will do everything you ever want it to just by saying so. No keyboard or screen required to get a result, no real local computing hardware necessary. If the result is visual just tell it to display it on your 65" hi-res television (which Apple doesn't make). Maybe the market for earbuds is going to sustain them in the future?
  - Cider9986 4mo ago
    People want to host their own AI and it will become good enough so most will do that instead of paying for a subscription. Voice-only input to a cloud model with just a screen to show you what it's doing sounds like a nightmare. Why not subscribe for the TV hardware as well as the subscription, take it up a notch on the own-nothing.
    - leptons 4mo ago
      You are talking about maybe 0.005% of the whole population of the earth when you say the phrase "self hosting". My wife is part of the other 99% and she's already talking to a chat prompt for 90% of her computing needs. The fancy laptop we bought her a year ago sits collecting dust. She is Apple's target market - not the nerds that get a boner about "self-hosting".
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ihumanable 4mo ago
Yea, but if I can get a ChatGPT-like experience from Siri AI for free, why would I pay OpenAI. Now it remains to be seen if Siri AI will deliver anything close to a ChatGPT-like experience. But if they did, for the consumer segment that isn't using LLMs for agentic work and just ask it questions from time to time, I can't imagine one textarea has engendered some huge amount of brand loyalty over another.
jimbokun 4mo ago
> Apple used to be a genuine AI leader when?
- ACCount37 4mo ago
  iPhone 8 shipped an NPU in 2017 - among the first consumer electronics vendors to put dedicated AI acceleration into something. iPhone X then took advantage of that with TrueDepth and the infrastructure around it. There was a real push from Apple at the time to enter the AI game - mainly for image processing purposes, which was the mainstream flavor of AI at the time.

Schiendelman 4mo ago

Traffic from Siri to the web is much higher than traffic from OpenAI, generally. It's the default. People installing ChatGPT takes work. And some of that traffic is also coming from Siri today… It won't after this launches.

ACCount37 4mo ago
Because Siri defaults to dumb search much more often. While ChatGPT sucks up the search results and gives its own answer. Which either terminates the session, or goads the user into asking a follow-up question, improving retention - the user doesn't leave the app either way.

chasd00 4mo ago

> they totally sleepwalked through LLM revolution I don't think so, i don't think they want to be in the LLM laboratory business. They just want to leverage the technology to make money not invent it. Hence the reason why they made a deal with Google to license Gemini, let OpenAI and Anthropic fight it out while Apple just keeps making sales. I think they're betting that in the long run LLMs become a commodity more or less and the major labs go bankrupt/get acquired by their heavy duty investors. I feel like Athropic will goto Amazon (AWS) and OpenAI may end up property of Microsoft. Google will remain Google of course so they're not going anywhere which is probaly why they won the deal with Apple. I'm pretty confident it's Gemini behind the curtain for Siri.

ACCount37 4mo ago
They wanted to be. Thus their investment into Siri in the first place. A revolutionary system - for year 2011. As well as bleeding edge advances in computational photography, photogrammetry, etc. They just completely failed at capturing the modern chatbot wave. They tried to catch up multiple times and, ultimately, gave up on doing it in house. Not because they didn't try, but because they tried and found themselves lacking.
leptons 4mo ago
I can't wait for the moment Apple realizes that hardware makers will also get eaten by AI. Who needs a fancy and expensive macbook or iphone when all you'll really need is earbuds with an internet connection to talk to the AI that's hosted wherever, which will do everything you ever want it to just by saying so. No keyboard or screen required to get a result, no real local computing hardware necessary. If the result is visual just tell it to display it on your 65" hi-res television (which Apple doesn't make). Maybe the market for earbuds is going to sustain them in the future?
- Cider9986 4mo ago
  People want to host their own AI and it will become good enough so most will do that instead of paying for a subscription. Voice-only input to a cloud model with just a screen to show you what it's doing sounds like a nightmare. Why not subscribe for the TV hardware as well as the subscription, take it up a notch on the own-nothing.
  - leptons 4mo ago
    You are talking about maybe 0.005% of the whole population of the earth when you say the phrase "self hosting". My wife is part of the other 99% and she's already talking to a chat prompt for 90% of her computing needs. The fancy laptop we bought her a year ago sits collecting dust. She is Apple's target market - not the nerds that get a boner about "self-hosting".
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ihumanable 4mo ago

Yea, but if I can get a ChatGPT-like experience from Siri AI for free, why would I pay OpenAI. Now it remains to be seen if Siri AI will deliver anything close to a ChatGPT-like experience. But if they did, for the consumer segment that isn't using LLMs for agentic work and just ask it questions from time to time, I can't imagine one textarea has engendered some huge amount of brand loyalty over another.

jimbokun 4mo ago

> Apple used to be a genuine AI leader when?

ACCount37 4mo ago
iPhone 8 shipped an NPU in 2017 - among the first consumer electronics vendors to put dedicated AI acceleration into something. iPhone X then took advantage of that with TrueDepth and the infrastructure around it. There was a real push from Apple at the time to enter the AI game - mainly for image processing purposes, which was the mainstream flavor of AI at the time.