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The Qualcomm Snapdragon X2 Elite Extreme trounces Nvidia's chip in single core CPU performance. It beats Intel and AMD's best, too. It has unified memory. It's
by modeless 4mo ago
The Qualcomm Snapdragon X2 Elite Extreme trounces Nvidia's chip in single core CPU performance. It beats Intel and AMD's best, too. It has unified memory. It's the only CPU in the same league as Apple's M-series in both CPU performance and power efficiency. And it's available in laptops today, not later this year. People are sleeping on Qualcomm.
- bradfa 4mo agoQualcomm is a “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, you don’t fool me twice” kind of situation. So many horrible experiences in the past that people are going to be hesitant. Qualcomm are trying harder now it seems. But it will take time to repair their reputation in the PC market.
- derefr 4mo agoCan you say more? I don't have any memory of Qualcomm-related scandals(?), but I just read the news; I've never really been a user of their chips.
- thewebguyd 4mo agoThey burned me with the first gen Snapdragon X Elite. Before the various laptops with it were out they promised Linux support. Here we are, years alter, still no fully OOTB support. Ironically, the GPU firmware were just mainlined in the kernel 4 months ago, but they still haven't done the same for the 1st gen X elite. Tuxedo computers tried and didn't succeed either. I will never buy Qualcomm again. I avoid them on phones as well by just buying Apple. They do not support their hardware beyond the release.
- jeroenhd 4mo ago> I avoid them on phones as well by just buying Apple To each their own, but I don't recall Apple ever mainlining any of their drivers on Linux. You're rightfully angry on the laptop side of things, but Apple is much worse than Qualcomm when it comes to open source support for their phones. Qualcomm probably shouldn't have promised Linux support in the first place. Everyone seems to love Apple's hardware even though you're practically stuck with macOS. Had Qualcomm just stuck to Windows-only, they would've probably received a much better reception by the tech press.
- dismalaf 4mo agoAt least Apple tells you they don't support anything except their own OS, Qualcomm just pretends to offer support.
- mlinhares 4mo agoApple doesn’t sell general purpose computers outside of their own hardware so this doesn’t make any sense.
- izacus 4mo agoIt makes absolutely the same amount of sense as the original critique - you just prefer to defend one bad actor because you like the brand.
- re-thc 4mo ago> Qualcomm are trying harder now it seems. Not really, the 1st. iteration got stuck in legal land and other delays.
- bradfa 4mo agoThey hired a good number of smart people who know how to do open source. So they’re trying. We shall see if it works.
- Danox 4mo agoMicrosoft is sleeping on Qualcomm with their lousy port of Windows to Arm processors…
- reactordev 4mo ago10000000x this. They have been sleeping on Arm since windows phone. I just don’t see them ever having an original thought again. They could have had a 128core arm chip by now.
- adabyron 4mo agoThey have original thoughts! It's just that those employees get squashed by other divisions or having to meet short term quarterly profits it seems. There's also the whole giant trillion dollar company doesn't want to invest and let small ideas grow. They only focus on things that move the needle, which isn't much at the size. Had Microsoft executed and invested, they could have made a come back imo in both search, mobile & hardware. Unfortunately major lack of leadership or they just don't want those areas.
- reactordev 4mo agoNo doubt the individuals have thoughts. It’s just corporate never actually does ANY of them. It’s a MBA mill.
- dylan604 4mo agoUnless the chip was called Copilot, they are not thinking anything about it. If was called Copilot, they'd have already figured out how to shove it down your throat.
- reactordev 4mo agoI'm sure there's an AI diagram of it on a powerpoint slide on some mid-level executive's deck that he thought would probably be clever.
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- darkwater 4mo agoIs it well supported under Linux?
- modeless 4mo agoQualcomm has been upstreaming Linux support for some of their chips but they're not working fast enough and I don't think the latest chips are there yet unfortunately.
- diabllicseagull 4mo agoI've been keeping an eye on the state of Linux on the first gen of X Elite and it's sad that the potential is not fully materialized outside WoA. Take a look at what peeps are going through: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-concept-snapdragon-x-elite/48800 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-concept-snapdragon-x-e...
- izacus 4mo agoNo, not at all, those machines are currently unusable on Linux.
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- dismalaf 4mo agoToo bad Qualcomm provides shit drivers for Linux, never updates any of their drivers (had a Samsung/Qualcomm phone with drivers years behind the equivalent Google Pixel phone), etc... They are the absolute worst actor in the entire computing world, don't care how fast their chip is.
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- SecretDreams 4mo agoPeople aren't sleeping on Qualcomm, they're tired of Microsoft Windows as a janky ass OS.
- ksec 4mo agoIt trounces ARM's old CPU design. The X925 used in this Nvidia chip is 2 years old. X930 or C1 has shipped with Mediatek Dimensity 9500 which is what the Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5 / X2 Elite should be compared to. Although Qualcomm still has a lead in performance, but it is increasingly shrinking. But perhaps more importantly. Nvidia seems to be doing a lot better with its ecosystem. Nvidia has much better distribution channels and partners building on top of their PC Gaming GPU. It also have gaming developers relations that is unmatched by any in the industry. Qualcomm has so far failed to execute this, both in PC and on there Server CPU side.
- re-thc 4mo ago> People are sleeping on Qualcomm. Technically speaking, Qualcomm acquired Nuvia, which is where this came from and that company came from ex-Apple engineers wanting to do what Apple said no for their chips. So it's almost same CPU design (origins).
- alt227 4mo agoWhy do people care so much about single core performance? We are all professionals here and I bet most of our workloads are multi core. I get that these new arm chips from Apple and Qualcomm are great at one thing at a time, but for professional workloads high end x64 chips still cannot be beaten on the desktop.
- hulitu 4mo ago> Why do people care so much about single core performance? Because that't the only part this chip excels. People are comparing apples with oranges since ages.
- Remnant44 4mo agoI agree with you, but also: outside of anything else, amdahls law means that as the parallel performance grows, we become _more_ limited by the inherently serial code, and thus single core performance, not less. Given that single core performance is "harder" (can't just throw more cores/sockets at the problem), it's also critically important.
- dagmx 4mo agoWhat x86 chips have the same or higher number of cores in the form factors that these chips are available in and are also more performant? Strix Halo is 16 cores. Intel Core Ultra 9 285HX is 24. Apple is 18. Qualcomm is something similar too but I can’t recall. NVIDIA is 20. Until you get to threadripper/epyc or Xeon territories (completely different form factors and TDPs) the arm chips are ahead on both power and perf than the x86. And even when you get to those areas, arm is equivalent or out performs them as can be seen by the recent neoverse x3 and Vera benchmarks.
- wmf 4mo agoNvidia Spark has 10 mid cores and 10 fake cores. Probably all the others are faster.
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- hulitu 4mo ago> And it's available in laptops today Is there a desktop version ? For real work ?
- Razengan 4mo ago> X2 Elite Extreme I'll wait for the 365 AI Ultimate Professional Enterprise Edition: Origins version
- arjie 4mo agoGarbage operating system support. If you can’t do Linux support it’s a bit pointless because there’s two platforms for this that matter: Linux and Darwin. Qualcomm is like AMD was for GPUs for like decades. Lots of announcements and people on the Internet are huge fans based on web pages they’ve read but if you try to make it work it’s a nightmare. Snapdragon X Elite doesn’t work on Linux so it’s a pointless platform. Enthusiasts have made M1 work better. Literally have old Macs running rather than use Qualcomm.
- KeplerBoy 4mo agoHow does Darwin matter more than Windows?
- davemp 4mo agoI assume because most windows installs are corporate IT garbage that if anyone cared about performance they could just turn off one of the three endpoint protection services or tune the backup service down and get better results than processor upgrades.
- TiredOfLife 4mo agoIt has Linux support from wsl2
- satvikpendem 4mo agoAlternatively, just use Windows.
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