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It seems some AI propaganda has already worked on you.

by zekrioca 4mo ago

ggambetta 4mo ago
It seems you're not from LatAm.
- Gualdrapo 4mo ago
  I am and I can say with full certainty that the "socialism threat" paranoia in our region is incredibly stupid. The real threat has always been corrupt governments and corporations meddling in politics that gave away the birth of guerrillas (and even sponsored them) like here in Colombia. The "socialism bad" has been in many cases just an excuse for so many here to hold themselves in power and make the lifes of the less fortunate completely miserable. Power just corrupts, be it from "left" or "right".
  - ggambetta 4mo ago
    I fully agree with you. However, when non-LatAm people talk about "socialism", they probably think of European-style socialism, which is awesome. LatAm socialism is a lot more extreme, and closer to full-on communism - my country still has people stuck in the 60s cold war era mentality and fully supporting the ideals of of the Soviet Union, still praising Cuba and Venezuela, reality notwithstanding. European-style socialism would be better. Full 60s socialism would be significantly worse. It's quite likely that people ITT are using "socialism" to refer to either, and we're all talking past each other.
    - _3u10 4mo ago
      When I think of socialism I think of everything from Trump and to the left of Trump. Brazil/Argentina/Trump style tariffs, banning the import of DJI/BYD/Huawei, etc. and yes china is socialist too. I’m not American I don’t really think of America as capitalist wonderland. And yes cheap Bolivian subsidized gas is wonderful, same with subsidized Argentinian everything, 3:1 blue dollar etc. let me explicitly thank their populace for subsidizing many vacations and day to day living costs.
boxed 4mo ago
It's strange that people look at the millions dead from starvation from communism, and the quite recent destruction of Venezuela, and still think communism can somehow work this time.
- wmwragg 4mo ago
  There is a significant difference between socialism and communism, Americans seem to purposely conflate the two, they are not the same.
  - throwaway290 4mo ago
    Smells like "no true scotsman" fallacy because they are nearly synonyms. Nobody in USSR could tell the exact difference or at least there was no consensus, and you are expecting modern Americans to do better huh? This basically sums it up: > According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, "Exactly how communism differs from socialism has long been a matter of debate, but the distinction rests largely on the communists' adherence to the revolutionary socialism of Karl Marx." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism#Communism_and_socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism#Communism_and_social...) (To make it more fun Marxism is also its own thing)
    - krige 4mo ago
      That's entirely orthogonal to the fact that Americans thend to label literally anything and everything they don't like as communist. Especially any sort of social(ist) policy good for the people and bad for the 1%.
      - boxed 4mo ago
        It doesn't help that a lot of the suggested policies are mind numbingly stupid. Like "wealth tax" for people who own controlling equity in companies. Someone else values your company more and now you are forced by law to sell it and lose control, probably destroying the company.
    - 4mo ago
_3u10 4mo ago
Ahh it’s just fake AI that I can walk around with a beer and not get hassled? It’s fake AI that the top tax rate is 10%?

It seems some AI propaganda has already worked on you.

ggambetta 4mo ago

It seems you're not from LatAm.

Gualdrapo 4mo ago
I am and I can say with full certainty that the "socialism threat" paranoia in our region is incredibly stupid. The real threat has always been corrupt governments and corporations meddling in politics that gave away the birth of guerrillas (and even sponsored them) like here in Colombia. The "socialism bad" has been in many cases just an excuse for so many here to hold themselves in power and make the lifes of the less fortunate completely miserable. Power just corrupts, be it from "left" or "right".
- ggambetta 4mo ago
  I fully agree with you. However, when non-LatAm people talk about "socialism", they probably think of European-style socialism, which is awesome. LatAm socialism is a lot more extreme, and closer to full-on communism - my country still has people stuck in the 60s cold war era mentality and fully supporting the ideals of of the Soviet Union, still praising Cuba and Venezuela, reality notwithstanding. European-style socialism would be better. Full 60s socialism would be significantly worse. It's quite likely that people ITT are using "socialism" to refer to either, and we're all talking past each other.
  - _3u10 4mo ago
    When I think of socialism I think of everything from Trump and to the left of Trump. Brazil/Argentina/Trump style tariffs, banning the import of DJI/BYD/Huawei, etc. and yes china is socialist too. I’m not American I don’t really think of America as capitalist wonderland. And yes cheap Bolivian subsidized gas is wonderful, same with subsidized Argentinian everything, 3:1 blue dollar etc. let me explicitly thank their populace for subsidizing many vacations and day to day living costs.

boxed 4mo ago

It's strange that people look at the millions dead from starvation from communism, and the quite recent destruction of Venezuela, and still think communism can somehow work this time.

wmwragg 4mo ago
There is a significant difference between socialism and communism, Americans seem to purposely conflate the two, they are not the same.
- throwaway290 4mo ago
  Smells like "no true scotsman" fallacy because they are nearly synonyms. Nobody in USSR could tell the exact difference or at least there was no consensus, and you are expecting modern Americans to do better huh? This basically sums it up: > According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, "Exactly how communism differs from socialism has long been a matter of debate, but the distinction rests largely on the communists' adherence to the revolutionary socialism of Karl Marx." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism#Communism_and_socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism#Communism_and_social...) (To make it more fun Marxism is also its own thing)
  - krige 4mo ago
    That's entirely orthogonal to the fact that Americans thend to label literally anything and everything they don't like as communist. Especially any sort of social(ist) policy good for the people and bad for the 1%.
    - boxed 4mo ago
      It doesn't help that a lot of the suggested policies are mind numbingly stupid. Like "wealth tax" for people who own controlling equity in companies. Someone else values your company more and now you are forced by law to sell it and lose control, probably destroying the company.
  - 4mo ago

_3u10 4mo ago

Ahh it’s just fake AI that I can walk around with a beer and not get hassled? It’s fake AI that the top tax rate is 10%?