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They seem determined to make Chicago lawyers rich. [0] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_Information_Privacy_Act

joe_mamba 5mo ago
Lawyers operate on exciting laws. What happens when the laws change?
bobmcnamara 5mo ago
$1k/per with no exponential horsepower? Barely a tax.
- cbarrick 5mo ago
  > $5,000 per violation if the violation is intentional or reckless.
  - bobmcnamara 5mo ago
    5kilobuxx, barely a tax.
    - crowbahr 5mo ago
      How many biometrics per minute can every glass in Chicago collect, each one costing 5k? It's not per biometric, it's per violation. Collecting the same face 20x is 20 infractions.
      - bobmcnamara 5mo ago
        Empirically they've cost meta $0
- shakna 5mo ago
  Half a billion tax, last time they tried it.
  - bobmcnamara 5mo ago
    A per-capita bargain.
Manuel_D 5mo ago
That pertains to collecting biometric info, not end users of facial recognition services. From your link: > The BIPA requires companies doing business in Illinois to comply with a number of requirements pertaining to the collection and storage of biometric information. These include a requirement that companies: > Obtain consent from individuals if the company intends to collect or disclose their personal biometric identifiers. > Destroy biometric identifiers in a timely manner. > Securely store biometric identifiers.[6] > A key area of focus is that an entity must use a "reasonable standard of care"[7] in managing biometric information and identifiers.
- free_bip 5mo ago
  If you actually read the full text of the law, it states: " "Biometric identifier” means a retina or iris scan, fingerprint, voiceprint, or scan of hand or face geometry. Biometric identifiers do not include writing samples, written signatures, photographs, human biological samples, [...] " So if it's just pictures of faces, then it's okay. If, however, at any point in the pipeline the actual facial geometry is calculated or stored, that might be a violation.
  - bensyverson 5mo ago
    Exactly. They've done it in the past, and it cost them $650M. It's unclear whether that was enough of a deterrent to change their behavior. [0] [0]: https://www.rgrdlaw.com/cases-in-re-facebook-biometric-info-privacy-litig.html
    - jplusequalt 5mo ago
      $650M to Meta is a drop in the bucket.
      - _DeadFred_ 5mo ago
        When people violate the law, we incarcerate them, i.e. restrict their movement. Corporate stock should be incarcerated (i.e. movement restricted i.e. can not be sold/traded) when corporations break the law.
inlined 5mo ago
So geo-gate it?

joe_mamba 5mo ago

Lawyers operate on exciting laws. What happens when the laws change?

bobmcnamara 5mo ago

$1k/per with no exponential horsepower? Barely a tax.

cbarrick 5mo ago
> $5,000 per violation if the violation is intentional or reckless.
- bobmcnamara 5mo ago
  5kilobuxx, barely a tax.
  - crowbahr 5mo ago
    How many biometrics per minute can every glass in Chicago collect, each one costing 5k? It's not per biometric, it's per violation. Collecting the same face 20x is 20 infractions.
    - bobmcnamara 5mo ago
      Empirically they've cost meta $0
shakna 5mo ago
Half a billion tax, last time they tried it.
- bobmcnamara 5mo ago
  A per-capita bargain.

Manuel_D 5mo ago

That pertains to collecting biometric info, not end users of facial recognition services. From your link: > The BIPA requires companies doing business in Illinois to comply with a number of requirements pertaining to the collection and storage of biometric information. These include a requirement that companies: > Obtain consent from individuals if the company intends to collect or disclose their personal biometric identifiers. > Destroy biometric identifiers in a timely manner. > Securely store biometric identifiers.[6] > A key area of focus is that an entity must use a "reasonable standard of care"[7] in managing biometric information and identifiers.

free_bip 5mo ago
If you actually read the full text of the law, it states: " "Biometric identifier” means a retina or iris scan, fingerprint, voiceprint, or scan of hand or face geometry. Biometric identifiers do not include writing samples, written signatures, photographs, human biological samples, [...] " So if it's just pictures of faces, then it's okay. If, however, at any point in the pipeline the actual facial geometry is calculated or stored, that might be a violation.
- bensyverson 5mo ago
  Exactly. They've done it in the past, and it cost them $650M. It's unclear whether that was enough of a deterrent to change their behavior. [0] [0]: https://www.rgrdlaw.com/cases-in-re-facebook-biometric-info-privacy-litig.html
  - jplusequalt 5mo ago
    $650M to Meta is a drop in the bucket.
    - _DeadFred_ 5mo ago
      When people violate the law, we incarcerate them, i.e. restrict their movement. Corporate stock should be incarcerated (i.e. movement restricted i.e. can not be sold/traded) when corporations break the law.

inlined 5mo ago

So geo-gate it?