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Agency? What are you talking about? I want freedom. I want freedom to do what i want and not sitting in front of a computer and coding for some company. Ple

Agency? What are you talking about? I want freedom. I want freedom to do what i want and not sitting in front of a computer and coding for some company. Please AI lets burn down knowledge work and labor work. Lets create so much stress to our society that we start rethinking what works mean. Lets redefine work into discovering the world again. Let people do old handcraft jobs, let them do more sports, let them read more, let them write and make more. Let them enjoy nature.

cootsnuck 4mo ago
> Lets redefine work into discovering the world again. Let people do old handcraft jobs, let them do more sports, let them read more, let them write and make more. Let them enjoy nature. Why leave something so important up to what AI does or doesn't do?
- Lplololopo 4mo ago
  Because capitalism doesn't allow for that. Only a fundamental change to our society will allow this for the masses when pressure to the rich skyerockets
- deleted 4mo ago
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jenniferhooley 4mo ago
"I want freedom to do what i want and not sitting in front of a computer and coding for some company." "Please AI lets burn down knowledge work and labor work" "Let people do old handcraft jobs." So many presuppositions about what people want to do. As a child I spent a lot of time programming and doing "knowledge work" because it's fun - I don't enjoy "old hand-crafted jobs". Sure, let's definitely destroy capitalism in it's current state I suppose. But I find people like you who hate knowledge-work/coding and think everyone else must feel the same and only do it for the money a bit out-of-touch.
- Lplololopo 4mo ago
  I differenciate between things you have to do (work) and things you want to do. Work means someone else is telling you your priorities. If you want to write code and think, you would be welcome in my utopian vision. But when i write code, its business shit. And its business shit someoneelse already solved a few times.
- monknomo 4mo ago
  right, these knowledge work and coding jobs are, by my lights, about the best possible job. From my perspective we've invented a machine that does the fun parts while leaving me the less fun parts (review, various hard-to-claude janitorial tasks, etc). I might like woodworking as a hobby (for example), but I sure as heck don't want to be a carpenter or to depend on my ability to hand craft enough widgets people like to survive
  - Lplololopo 4mo ago
    Be more critical, we do our jobs because of capitalism, not because every single company needs an hr department or the next crud application or the 1000th webshop. No one of us is working on the field to get food.
    - reverius42 4mo ago
      You have in several places repeated that "no one is working on the field to get food", but that's not actually true. While most people in modern society don't work on fields to feed themselves (and others), a small fraction actually do! They feed not only themselves, but all of us. In this future utopia where everyone gets to be a mediocre handmade-furniture maker, who exactly will be the 1-2% needed to work the fields to feed us all?
      - Lplololopo 4mo ago
        Machines. Or the 1% of people will be allowed to live in the city centers or on the beach or we share the load across peple. Everyone has to work hard and good for 5 years.
narrator 4mo ago
The solution we've come up with is move all the unpleasant work stuff to China where people don't complain about doing it because they already have communism, and therefore everything is of course effortlessly perfect there.
mandymoorefan 4mo ago
This seems to be a little naive about how humans consume the benefits we create in society. "Let people do old handcraft jobs, let them do more sports, let them read more, let them write and make more. Let them enjoy nature." Very nice thoughts. You know we all could do this today without "burning it down"? Get in your pod, eat your slop, and watch your screen is where this is headed. "I want freedom to do what i want and not sitting in front of a computer and coding for some company." You get that it's you creating the misery here? Then stop? Don't do it. Go start a farm or whatever you think will solve your problems. At some point this all boils down to "chop wood and fetch water" so if the modern way of doing that is so terrible then stop. Go fetch water the old fashioned way and be free.
- Lplololopo 4mo ago
  Have you heard of property tax? We have that here. I also do not earn currently a farm, im planing to buy one, i'm still 100k short though. Its not me creating the misery, its our capitalistic system.
  - mandymoorefan 4mo ago
    Good luck in life.
    - Lplololopo 4mo ago
      Dude, not sure what you mean by this, if this is condesending because you think its stupid, i'm relativly well off. I'm not advocating for a better life because only of me but primarily for everyone around us. We could come all together and start working together how we use our resources more fair for everyone.
doug_durham 4mo ago
Work has never been about "discovering the world". There have been a handful of privileged folks who had the time to "discover the world". Work has traditionally been "let's find enough food for my family". If you want to think of a future of abundance then perhaps we can discover the world.
- Lplololopo 4mo ago
  We already live in a world of abundance. No one has to work on a field for their food. Its a capitalism problem we have, not a resource one.
  - thegrimmest 4mo ago
    It’s not a capitalism problem, it’s an ecosystem. Wherever living things compete for finite resources and opportunities, certain properties emerge from the system. And make no mistake we live in a crowded world full of fierce competition. Among these properties are optimum behaviours such as hoarding the maximum you can defend (rather than the minimum you comfortably need) and using your power to forestall the growth of others. These behaviours are repeated in nature from microorganisms to apes to humans. There is no social order which can prevent us from living in an ecosystem, and from these properties and behaviours emerging.
    - Lplololopo 4mo ago
      The US American system is more capitalistic than the german one and the scissor between poor and rich is higher. Thats definitly an indication that this plays a role in it. And we do not have a problem of resources today, we have so much food, that its sometimes just spoils and no one cares and sometimes it even spoils in huge warehouses due to neglect or because a person decided not to sell it under a certain price. Capitalism also sets priorities for resources. So instead of making sure everyone is fed properly, we also spend time and energy to diverge resource types like different plants, exotic plants etc.
      - 4mo ago

cootsnuck 4mo ago

> Lets redefine work into discovering the world again. Let people do old handcraft jobs, let them do more sports, let them read more, let them write and make more. Let them enjoy nature. Why leave something so important up to what AI does or doesn't do?

Lplololopo 4mo ago
Because capitalism doesn't allow for that. Only a fundamental change to our society will allow this for the masses when pressure to the rich skyerockets
deleted 4mo ago
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jenniferhooley 4mo ago

"I want freedom to do what i want and not sitting in front of a computer and coding for some company." "Please AI lets burn down knowledge work and labor work" "Let people do old handcraft jobs." So many presuppositions about what people want to do. As a child I spent a lot of time programming and doing "knowledge work" because it's fun - I don't enjoy "old hand-crafted jobs". Sure, let's definitely destroy capitalism in it's current state I suppose. But I find people like you who hate knowledge-work/coding and think everyone else must feel the same and only do it for the money a bit out-of-touch.

Lplololopo 4mo ago
I differenciate between things you have to do (work) and things you want to do. Work means someone else is telling you your priorities. If you want to write code and think, you would be welcome in my utopian vision. But when i write code, its business shit. And its business shit someoneelse already solved a few times.
monknomo 4mo ago
right, these knowledge work and coding jobs are, by my lights, about the best possible job. From my perspective we've invented a machine that does the fun parts while leaving me the less fun parts (review, various hard-to-claude janitorial tasks, etc). I might like woodworking as a hobby (for example), but I sure as heck don't want to be a carpenter or to depend on my ability to hand craft enough widgets people like to survive
- Lplololopo 4mo ago
  Be more critical, we do our jobs because of capitalism, not because every single company needs an hr department or the next crud application or the 1000th webshop. No one of us is working on the field to get food.
  - reverius42 4mo ago
    You have in several places repeated that "no one is working on the field to get food", but that's not actually true. While most people in modern society don't work on fields to feed themselves (and others), a small fraction actually do! They feed not only themselves, but all of us. In this future utopia where everyone gets to be a mediocre handmade-furniture maker, who exactly will be the 1-2% needed to work the fields to feed us all?
    - Lplololopo 4mo ago
      Machines. Or the 1% of people will be allowed to live in the city centers or on the beach or we share the load across peple. Everyone has to work hard and good for 5 years.

narrator 4mo ago

The solution we've come up with is move all the unpleasant work stuff to China where people don't complain about doing it because they already have communism, and therefore everything is of course effortlessly perfect there.

mandymoorefan 4mo ago

This seems to be a little naive about how humans consume the benefits we create in society. "Let people do old handcraft jobs, let them do more sports, let them read more, let them write and make more. Let them enjoy nature." Very nice thoughts. You know we all could do this today without "burning it down"? Get in your pod, eat your slop, and watch your screen is where this is headed. "I want freedom to do what i want and not sitting in front of a computer and coding for some company." You get that it's you creating the misery here? Then stop? Don't do it. Go start a farm or whatever you think will solve your problems. At some point this all boils down to "chop wood and fetch water" so if the modern way of doing that is so terrible then stop. Go fetch water the old fashioned way and be free.

Lplololopo 4mo ago
Have you heard of property tax? We have that here. I also do not earn currently a farm, im planing to buy one, i'm still 100k short though. Its not me creating the misery, its our capitalistic system.
- mandymoorefan 4mo ago
  Good luck in life.
  - Lplololopo 4mo ago
    Dude, not sure what you mean by this, if this is condesending because you think its stupid, i'm relativly well off. I'm not advocating for a better life because only of me but primarily for everyone around us. We could come all together and start working together how we use our resources more fair for everyone.

doug_durham 4mo ago

Work has never been about "discovering the world". There have been a handful of privileged folks who had the time to "discover the world". Work has traditionally been "let's find enough food for my family". If you want to think of a future of abundance then perhaps we can discover the world.

Lplololopo 4mo ago
We already live in a world of abundance. No one has to work on a field for their food. Its a capitalism problem we have, not a resource one.
- thegrimmest 4mo ago
  It’s not a capitalism problem, it’s an ecosystem. Wherever living things compete for finite resources and opportunities, certain properties emerge from the system. And make no mistake we live in a crowded world full of fierce competition. Among these properties are optimum behaviours such as hoarding the maximum you can defend (rather than the minimum you comfortably need) and using your power to forestall the growth of others. These behaviours are repeated in nature from microorganisms to apes to humans. There is no social order which can prevent us from living in an ecosystem, and from these properties and behaviours emerging.
  - Lplololopo 4mo ago
    The US American system is more capitalistic than the german one and the scissor between poor and rich is higher. Thats definitly an indication that this plays a role in it. And we do not have a problem of resources today, we have so much food, that its sometimes just spoils and no one cares and sometimes it even spoils in huge warehouses due to neglect or because a person decided not to sell it under a certain price. Capitalism also sets priorities for resources. So instead of making sure everyone is fed properly, we also spend time and energy to diverge resource types like different plants, exotic plants etc.
    - 4mo ago