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I must admit, modern angular has been a pleasure to use. It's a shame that the ecosystem is a little rough. Luckily you get so much out of the box already.

by vyrotek 4mo ago

Klaster_1 4mo ago
Same experience here. I wish Angular dropped their weird compiler that's tight coupled to tsc and moved into more pluggable approach so you can use it with whatever TS compiler. App and unit test cold build times are still crap, but at least with a coding agent you care about this less.
- spankalee 4mo ago
  Angular should ditch the compiler altogether - it really hinders them in so many ways, especially now with AI-codegen where tools have to specifically choose to do the work to integrate the Angular toolchain instead of using plain TypeScript and HTML.
  - bpavuk 4mo ago
    [dead]
  - embedding-shape 4mo ago
    "plain TypeScript"? Just like Angular, TypeScript depends on a compiler too, regardless of where in your toolchain it is, unless I missed browsers somehow being able to straight up run TypeScript nowadays. Bit ironic to cite "ditch the compiler" as the reason to switch from one compiler to another.
mhitza 4mo ago
Are projects still chosing to pick RxJS (or equivalent) which make the code heavily layered and a pain to debug? Or has sanity reached the Angular ecosystem by now?
- thevillagechief 4mo ago
  Everything is signals now.
- jonkoops 4mo ago
  I believe Signals are the go-to now, but surely RxJS is still present for complex use cases. Are Zones fully gone?
  - vyrotek 4mo ago
    As of v21, zoneless is the default https://angular.love/angular-21-whats-new https://angular.love/angular-21-whats-new
    - jonkoops 4mo ago
      Nice
  - andriy_koval 4mo ago
    Now we have promises, observables and signals. I would be more happy if it would be just one of those..
    - halflife 4mo ago
      Each one of these solves a different problem. Promised - async Observables - streams Signals - reactivity
      - azangru 4mo ago
        > Observables - streams > Signals - reactivity The r in rx stands for reactive.
        halflife 4mo ago
        The react in react stands for reactivity, however it is not.
majora2007 4mo ago
What is rough in the ecosystem? I haven't had any issues finding packages. Most packages have been keeping up with the signal trends as well.

I must admit, modern angular has been a pleasure to use. It's a shame that the ecosystem is a little rough. Luckily you get so much out of the box already.

by vyrotek 4mo ago

I must admit, modern angular has been a pleasure to use. It's a shame that the ecosystem is a little rough. Luckily you get so much out of the box already.

Klaster_1 4mo ago

Same experience here. I wish Angular dropped their weird compiler that's tight coupled to tsc and moved into more pluggable approach so you can use it with whatever TS compiler. App and unit test cold build times are still crap, but at least with a coding agent you care about this less.

spankalee 4mo ago
Angular should ditch the compiler altogether - it really hinders them in so many ways, especially now with AI-codegen where tools have to specifically choose to do the work to integrate the Angular toolchain instead of using plain TypeScript and HTML.
- bpavuk 4mo ago
  [dead]
- embedding-shape 4mo ago
  "plain TypeScript"? Just like Angular, TypeScript depends on a compiler too, regardless of where in your toolchain it is, unless I missed browsers somehow being able to straight up run TypeScript nowadays. Bit ironic to cite "ditch the compiler" as the reason to switch from one compiler to another.

mhitza 4mo ago

Are projects still chosing to pick RxJS (or equivalent) which make the code heavily layered and a pain to debug? Or has sanity reached the Angular ecosystem by now?

thevillagechief 4mo ago
Everything is signals now.
jonkoops 4mo ago
I believe Signals are the go-to now, but surely RxJS is still present for complex use cases. Are Zones fully gone?
- vyrotek 4mo ago
  As of v21, zoneless is the default https://angular.love/angular-21-whats-new https://angular.love/angular-21-whats-new
  - jonkoops 4mo ago
    Nice
- andriy_koval 4mo ago
  Now we have promises, observables and signals. I would be more happy if it would be just one of those..
  - halflife 4mo ago
    Each one of these solves a different problem. Promised - async Observables - streams Signals - reactivity
    - azangru 4mo ago
      > Observables - streams > Signals - reactivity The r in rx stands for reactive.
      - halflife 4mo ago
        The react in react stands for reactivity, however it is not.

majora2007 4mo ago

What is rough in the ecosystem? I haven't had any issues finding packages. Most packages have been keeping up with the signal trends as well.