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This sounds like the "everything you create in your own time is company property since we cannot distinguish if what you do in your own time isn't company relat

by consp 4mo ago

This sounds like the "everything you create in your own time is company property since we cannot distinguish if what you do in your own time isn't company related" clause in some contracts. Under no circumstance is it actable where I live, but it can sure scare the hell out of people and presents a line of thought. Yes, some companies think they can own copyright on the things you write at home.

doubled112 4mo ago
If my contract says that I must be available immediately at any time, do I have ANY personal time? Or is all of my time their time too?
- daveshistory 4mo ago
  Absolutely. Your personal time is that time which, in retrospect, the company didn't need you for. It's strictly a backward-looking definition.
ChrisMarshallNY 4mo ago
I call that the "shower clause," because the company claims ownership of any ideas you come up with, in the shower. I think, like noncompetes, there's limits to how far the company can actually enforce it, but they bank on the fact that they have lawyers on permanent retainer, and you don't. Even standing up for your rights, against blatant corporate overreach, is expensive.
- cindyllm 4mo ago
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tripledry 4mo ago
I always ask companies to remove that clause from contracts, I think all offers I've ever got had that clause, but also 100% removed it on request.
- ryandrake 4mo ago
  Interesting. I've always asked, too, and 0% were willing to make any changes to their policies. I suppose it has a lot to do with the size of the company and your relative bargaining power.
  - tripledry 4mo ago
    Probably cultural norms and location play a huge role here, I'm in a nordic country and feel like trust is generally high and people are reasonable. My bargaining power is not that high and managed to do this from tiny companies to global corporates.
Tangurena2 4mo ago
In the US, the enforceability of that sort of thing depends on the state. Generally, if that state enforces non-competes (other than for selling the business, or managerial staff), then it most likely enforces "you're salaried, so everything you invent belongs to us". The legal term to search is "work for hire".

by consp 4mo ago

doubled112 4mo ago

If my contract says that I must be available immediately at any time, do I have ANY personal time? Or is all of my time their time too?

daveshistory 4mo ago
Absolutely. Your personal time is that time which, in retrospect, the company didn't need you for. It's strictly a backward-looking definition.

ChrisMarshallNY 4mo ago

I call that the "shower clause," because the company claims ownership of any ideas you come up with, in the shower. I think, like noncompetes, there's limits to how far the company can actually enforce it, but they bank on the fact that they have lawyers on permanent retainer, and you don't. Even standing up for your rights, against blatant corporate overreach, is expensive.

cindyllm 4mo ago
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tripledry 4mo ago

I always ask companies to remove that clause from contracts, I think all offers I've ever got had that clause, but also 100% removed it on request.

ryandrake 4mo ago
Interesting. I've always asked, too, and 0% were willing to make any changes to their policies. I suppose it has a lot to do with the size of the company and your relative bargaining power.
- tripledry 4mo ago
  Probably cultural norms and location play a huge role here, I'm in a nordic country and feel like trust is generally high and people are reasonable. My bargaining power is not that high and managed to do this from tiny companies to global corporates.

Tangurena2 4mo ago

In the US, the enforceability of that sort of thing depends on the state. Generally, if that state enforces non-competes (other than for selling the business, or managerial staff), then it most likely enforces "you're salaried, so everything you invent belongs to us". The legal term to search is "work for hire".