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Open-source App IDE. Make Apps. Fast.

19 points by edfg 14y ago

unfamiliar 14y ago
"in browser" why!?
- debacle 14y ago
  Because web programmers are terrified of native development. It infuriates me to no end.
  - scrumper 14y ago
    Yeah, but it keeps rates up on the native side. I kinda like them being scared; when they get too close I can wave pointers around like a wand and they scurry away. For my part, I'm a bit scared of web development: without a compiler, I'd have to keep working all the time. I'd miss fencing on chairs.
    - debacle 14y ago
      You can add a few layers here and there, like a build process, and continuous integration or static analysis or release engineering. It doesn't come near compiler times, but it's close enough.
devb0x 14y ago
Sounds too good to be true. And you know what they about that
- edfg 14y ago
  Hi, founder here. We're really trying to promote HTML5 development, and we believe can pull it off with our team.
firlefans 14y ago
The world's already got a few of these to my knowledge, Brightcove launched one last week with native plugins..I personally would love to see a fully native version of this. People want real UIKit/Android components, not an approximation of same.
agscala 14y ago
How is $18,000 nearly enough for this?
kapooht 14y ago
This is ridiculous.
- dindresto 14y ago
  Have to agree with that. Especially the video: He doesn't even seem to try to talk freely at the beginning, and later the music which makes it harder to understand anything. Also, I don't see why I would want to use something like that. I can just use MacVim for editing and Phonegap for native API access. Phonegap also has tutorials for how to package the app (with a web view).
  - edfg 14y ago
    Hi, founder here. Thanks for the suggestion! We'll fix it for the next video.
- edfg 14y ago
  Hi, founder here. Would you mind letting us know what's bad about the kickstarter? we're here to learn :)
WayneDB 14y ago
Personally, I want to be able to easily make cross platform apps that use Native components, not HTML5 apps.
- mahmud 14y ago
  Qt? wxWidgets? Gtk? XUL?
  - WayneDB 14y ago
    I think that our definitions of easy differ. I don't consider any of those kits very easy to deal with, despite the fact that I am fully capable of building apps with them. They're certainly nowhere near the realm of kits like RealStudio/RealBasic, FileMaker, Access, VB4/5/6 or even WinForms with Visual Studio (some of which I know are not cross-platform...but they are easy).
    - chii 14y ago
      perhaps the reason those are easy is _because_ they weren't cross platform?
doublerebel 14y ago
Existing completely free cross-platform apps with free IDE support: Haxejs http://haxe.org/ http://haxe.org/ Titanium Mobile http://appcelerator.com http://appcelerator.com Cordova/PhoneGap http://phonegap.com http://phonegap.com Wakanda http://www.wakanda.org http://www.wakanda.org These all have widget systems and GUI tools to create apps fast. Initially, making a cross-platform app seems easy and simple. It turns out debugging is really, really hard. There are many layers and a ton of version/device fragmentation. Betting my dev money on it for professional apps doesn't seem like a great idea. I think the killer feature should boil down to this: Magikai is great for kids who are just starting out in programming Right now everything seems to be business focused, i.e. these 'no need to learn code' systems: App Breeder http://www.appbreeder.com/ http://www.appbreeder.com/ AppBotic http://www.appbotic.com/ http://www.appbotic.com/ App Inventor http://beta.appinventor.mit.edu http://beta.appinventor.mit.edu App Press http://www.app-press.com/ http://www.app-press.com/ Chatty Apps http://www.chattysolutions.com/chattyapps.html http://www.chattysolutions.com/chattyapps.html Shout 'Em http://www.shoutem.com/ http://www.shoutem.com/ Snappii https://www.snappii.com/ https://www.snappii.com/ EDIT: And more -- http://dailytekk.com/2012/04/02/100-tools-to-develop-a-killer-ios-or-android-app/ http://dailytekk.com/2012/04/02/100-tools-to-develop-a-kille... Generally a decent programmer will hit the limits of the 'easy' framework just slow enough to have wasted a ton of time. Then you have to drop into native code to fix the bugs that are not the priority of that specific framework. Appcelerator has gained so much traction because they have a ton of developers concentrated on bugfixes and full native API support. But, to get children started on programming is always a great idea, and as all of us young devs grow we will want to share the dev experience with our kids. If they can make that possible I think they'll have a home run on their hands.
- scrumper 14y ago
  > But, to get children started on programming is always a great idea, and as all of us young devs grow we will want to share the dev experience with our kids. If they can make that possible I think they'll have a home run on their hands. This is worth repeating. Kids are, in general, fabulously creative and completely open minded with new technology. I can see all sorts of fun, frivolous, nefarious and downright evil uses for a simple app maker that works on any kid's phone. Little Johnny makes a simple set of static pages that stores crib notes for his classes. Evil Britney, who has a few more coding chops, comes up with an app that screen-scrapes the yearbook site and lets her friends rate all the boys in her year (she got the idea from The Social Network.) If these guys can get their teeth into that market either officially (through schools) or via the terrifyingly powerful playground word-of-mouth network, this could become quite big. It's a hell of a long shot though.
detay 14y ago
Before putting out a crossplatform IDE/Framework like this one should examine the existing ones like Adobe's PhoneGap or Trigger.io etc.. They have been working on this for some time and they have started out supporting native UI elements. Magikai may only be useful for people who really have a basic understanding of html and want to create a simple app that they have been thinking of. But not my cup of tea.
- edfg 14y ago
  Hi, founder here. In fact, we build on top of Phonegap, and enhance it with plugins that don't exist for Phonegap yet, i.e push notification, SMS, facebook connect, and so on. We'll make the change in the kickstarter page.
taylodl 14y ago
In 29 days they've managed to get two people to pledge $1 apiece.
- shortlived 14y ago
  They have 29 days _left_
- xymostech 14y ago
  If you actually looked, you'd see that there's 29 days to go, and it started today.
- kbutler 14y ago
  29 days to go.
myko 14y ago
The screen shots seem to show iOS apps on both sides. If the Android apps don't look like Android apps then it isn't a tool I want to use.
- edfg 14y ago
  Hi, founder here. Apologies, that was a mistake. We'll fix it soon.
slajax 14y ago
I'll back it if it comes with that awesome bugs bunny sound track.
jeffehobbs 14y ago
Nnnnnnoooooppppppeeeeee

19 points by edfg 14y ago

unfamiliar 14y ago

"in browser" why!?

debacle 14y ago
Because web programmers are terrified of native development. It infuriates me to no end.
- scrumper 14y ago
  Yeah, but it keeps rates up on the native side. I kinda like them being scared; when they get too close I can wave pointers around like a wand and they scurry away. For my part, I'm a bit scared of web development: without a compiler, I'd have to keep working all the time. I'd miss fencing on chairs.
  - debacle 14y ago
    You can add a few layers here and there, like a build process, and continuous integration or static analysis or release engineering. It doesn't come near compiler times, but it's close enough.

devb0x 14y ago

Sounds too good to be true. And you know what they about that

edfg 14y ago
Hi, founder here. We're really trying to promote HTML5 development, and we believe can pull it off with our team.

firlefans 14y ago

The world's already got a few of these to my knowledge, Brightcove launched one last week with native plugins..I personally would love to see a fully native version of this. People want real UIKit/Android components, not an approximation of same.

agscala 14y ago

How is $18,000 nearly enough for this?

kapooht 14y ago

This is ridiculous.

dindresto 14y ago
Have to agree with that. Especially the video: He doesn't even seem to try to talk freely at the beginning, and later the music which makes it harder to understand anything. Also, I don't see why I would want to use something like that. I can just use MacVim for editing and Phonegap for native API access. Phonegap also has tutorials for how to package the app (with a web view).
- edfg 14y ago
  Hi, founder here. Thanks for the suggestion! We'll fix it for the next video.
edfg 14y ago
Hi, founder here. Would you mind letting us know what's bad about the kickstarter? we're here to learn :)

WayneDB 14y ago

Personally, I want to be able to easily make cross platform apps that use Native components, not HTML5 apps.

mahmud 14y ago
Qt? wxWidgets? Gtk? XUL?
- WayneDB 14y ago
  I think that our definitions of easy differ. I don't consider any of those kits very easy to deal with, despite the fact that I am fully capable of building apps with them. They're certainly nowhere near the realm of kits like RealStudio/RealBasic, FileMaker, Access, VB4/5/6 or even WinForms with Visual Studio (some of which I know are not cross-platform...but they are easy).
  - chii 14y ago
    perhaps the reason those are easy is _because_ they weren't cross platform?

doublerebel 14y ago

Existing completely free cross-platform apps with free IDE support: Haxejs http://haxe.org/ http://haxe.org/ Titanium Mobile http://appcelerator.com http://appcelerator.com Cordova/PhoneGap http://phonegap.com http://phonegap.com Wakanda http://www.wakanda.org http://www.wakanda.org These all have widget systems and GUI tools to create apps fast. Initially, making a cross-platform app seems easy and simple. It turns out debugging is really, really hard. There are many layers and a ton of version/device fragmentation. Betting my dev money on it for professional apps doesn't seem like a great idea. I think the killer feature should boil down to this: Magikai is great for kids who are just starting out in programming Right now everything seems to be business focused, i.e. these 'no need to learn code' systems: App Breeder http://www.appbreeder.com/ http://www.appbreeder.com/ AppBotic http://www.appbotic.com/ http://www.appbotic.com/ App Inventor http://beta.appinventor.mit.edu http://beta.appinventor.mit.edu App Press http://www.app-press.com/ http://www.app-press.com/ Chatty Apps http://www.chattysolutions.com/chattyapps.html http://www.chattysolutions.com/chattyapps.html Shout 'Em http://www.shoutem.com/ http://www.shoutem.com/ Snappii https://www.snappii.com/ https://www.snappii.com/ EDIT: And more -- http://dailytekk.com/2012/04/02/100-tools-to-develop-a-killer-ios-or-android-app/ http://dailytekk.com/2012/04/02/100-tools-to-develop-a-kille... Generally a decent programmer will hit the limits of the 'easy' framework just slow enough to have wasted a ton of time. Then you have to drop into native code to fix the bugs that are not the priority of that specific framework. Appcelerator has gained so much traction because they have a ton of developers concentrated on bugfixes and full native API support. But, to get children started on programming is always a great idea, and as all of us young devs grow we will want to share the dev experience with our kids. If they can make that possible I think they'll have a home run on their hands.

scrumper 14y ago
> But, to get children started on programming is always a great idea, and as all of us young devs grow we will want to share the dev experience with our kids. If they can make that possible I think they'll have a home run on their hands. This is worth repeating. Kids are, in general, fabulously creative and completely open minded with new technology. I can see all sorts of fun, frivolous, nefarious and downright evil uses for a simple app maker that works on any kid's phone. Little Johnny makes a simple set of static pages that stores crib notes for his classes. Evil Britney, who has a few more coding chops, comes up with an app that screen-scrapes the yearbook site and lets her friends rate all the boys in her year (she got the idea from The Social Network.) If these guys can get their teeth into that market either officially (through schools) or via the terrifyingly powerful playground word-of-mouth network, this could become quite big. It's a hell of a long shot though.

detay 14y ago

Before putting out a crossplatform IDE/Framework like this one should examine the existing ones like Adobe's PhoneGap or Trigger.io etc.. They have been working on this for some time and they have started out supporting native UI elements. Magikai may only be useful for people who really have a basic understanding of html and want to create a simple app that they have been thinking of. But not my cup of tea.

edfg 14y ago
Hi, founder here. In fact, we build on top of Phonegap, and enhance it with plugins that don't exist for Phonegap yet, i.e push notification, SMS, facebook connect, and so on. We'll make the change in the kickstarter page.

taylodl 14y ago

In 29 days they've managed to get two people to pledge $1 apiece.

shortlived 14y ago
They have 29 days _left_
xymostech 14y ago
If you actually looked, you'd see that there's 29 days to go, and it started today.
kbutler 14y ago
29 days to go.

myko 14y ago

The screen shots seem to show iOS apps on both sides. If the Android apps don't look like Android apps then it isn't a tool I want to use.

edfg 14y ago
Hi, founder here. Apologies, that was a mistake. We'll fix it soon.

slajax 14y ago

I'll back it if it comes with that awesome bugs bunny sound track.

jeffehobbs 14y ago

Nnnnnnoooooppppppeeeeee