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So going forward expect US models to respond only in ways considered appropriate by the administration. If people thought models were producing slop before... l

So going forward expect US models to respond only in ways considered appropriate by the administration. If people thought models were producing slop before... lol.

ranger_danger 5mo ago
No... executive orders are not laws, they can only command the federal government, not individuals or corporations. Meaning this is mostly pointless unless you're using models hosted by the government.
- xena 5mo ago
  Who is going to stop the federal government from enforcing them as if they were laws?
  - ranger_danger 5mo ago
    The judicidial branch, so the courts. The government would have to sue the corporation to try to get them to do something, at which point (hopefully) the judge would strike it down.
    - skeledrew 5mo ago
      What courts? Look at all that's been happening over the past months. How much of it have the courts been able to meaningfully impact, vs what's still in effect?
      - ranger_danger 5mo ago
        > How much of it have the courts been able to meaningfully impact A lot more than you think, apparently https://www.justsecurity.org/107087/tracker-litigation-legal-challenges-trump-administration/ https://www.justsecurity.org/107087/tracker-litigation-legal...
        hilariously 5mo ago
        We've been talking about the Supreme Court, which is widely considered a laughingstock by lower courts except they are not laughing.
- ofjcihen 5mo ago
  Models hosted or used by the government. You left out the part containing the “barrels of money” incentive.
- bee_rider 5mo ago
  Executive orders aren’t laws (an important fact that should be repeated often and loudly). However, there’s probably room for the executive branch of the government to influence model hosts, as a major funder and consumer.
lawn 5mo ago
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sleepydog 5mo ago
You're absolutely right, abs-o-lutely, everybody says so. A lot, lot lot of people have been saying, you know they come to me and they say, "Mr. Claude, I can't believe the stuff I'm hearing, everybody is telling me he's right, is it true?" And I tell 'em, I say you're goddam right, that's what I say, but honestly folks, despite the negative press covfefe we've had a hell of a year, and that's really what it is with the nuclear folks, you can't trust em as far as you can throw em if you ask me, and believe me I've been throwing them around a LO<token limit exceeded>
SpicyLemonZest 5mo ago
This will be an important thing to check going forward, but I don't see why we would presume that they're going to be subverted in this way. Importantly, this is a completely different problem space from "slop" as such - there's plenty of Chinese models that implement their censorship almost entirely through guardrails on what topics they're willing to discuss.
daheza 5mo ago
Yea the details here really matter - is this truly a politically neutral security review to determine impact and potentially prepare for it - that seems alright. is this a review of "wokeness" in models and rejecting them if they don't align with the party views - this should not be allowed. A politically neutral committee that decides what the review entails is what would happen in a true democracy and not a puppet oligarchy like we have today.
- skeledrew 5mo ago
  All neutrality has been aggressively neutered in every agency, or the target agency dismantled, in the last few months. An agency either supports the administrations political decisions wholly, or... well there's no "or" because an agency that doesn't won't remain an agency for very long.

So going forward expect US models to respond only in ways considered appropriate by the administration. If people thought models were producing slop before... lol.

ranger_danger 5mo ago

No... executive orders are not laws, they can only command the federal government, not individuals or corporations. Meaning this is mostly pointless unless you're using models hosted by the government.

xena 5mo ago
Who is going to stop the federal government from enforcing them as if they were laws?
- ranger_danger 5mo ago
  The judicidial branch, so the courts. The government would have to sue the corporation to try to get them to do something, at which point (hopefully) the judge would strike it down.
  - skeledrew 5mo ago
    What courts? Look at all that's been happening over the past months. How much of it have the courts been able to meaningfully impact, vs what's still in effect?
    - ranger_danger 5mo ago
      > How much of it have the courts been able to meaningfully impact A lot more than you think, apparently https://www.justsecurity.org/107087/tracker-litigation-legal-challenges-trump-administration/ https://www.justsecurity.org/107087/tracker-litigation-legal...
      - hilariously 5mo ago
        We've been talking about the Supreme Court, which is widely considered a laughingstock by lower courts except they are not laughing.
ofjcihen 5mo ago
Models hosted or used by the government. You left out the part containing the “barrels of money” incentive.
bee_rider 5mo ago
Executive orders aren’t laws (an important fact that should be repeated often and loudly). However, there’s probably room for the executive branch of the government to influence model hosts, as a major funder and consumer.

lawn 5mo ago

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sleepydog 5mo ago

You're absolutely right, abs-o-lutely, everybody says so. A lot, lot lot of people have been saying, you know they come to me and they say, "Mr. Claude, I can't believe the stuff I'm hearing, everybody is telling me he's right, is it true?" And I tell 'em, I say you're goddam right, that's what I say, but honestly folks, despite the negative press covfefe we've had a hell of a year, and that's really what it is with the nuclear folks, you can't trust em as far as you can throw em if you ask me, and believe me I've been throwing them around a LO<token limit exceeded>

SpicyLemonZest 5mo ago

This will be an important thing to check going forward, but I don't see why we would presume that they're going to be subverted in this way. Importantly, this is a completely different problem space from "slop" as such - there's plenty of Chinese models that implement their censorship almost entirely through guardrails on what topics they're willing to discuss.

daheza 5mo ago

Yea the details here really matter - is this truly a politically neutral security review to determine impact and potentially prepare for it - that seems alright. is this a review of "wokeness" in models and rejecting them if they don't align with the party views - this should not be allowed. A politically neutral committee that decides what the review entails is what would happen in a true democracy and not a puppet oligarchy like we have today.

skeledrew 5mo ago
All neutrality has been aggressively neutered in every agency, or the target agency dismantled, in the last few months. An agency either supports the administrations political decisions wholly, or... well there's no "or" because an agency that doesn't won't remain an agency for very long.