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Data centers are easy to fight against because there is no constituency really pulling for them. They create only a handful of jobs. Ultimately the entire thing

• triceratops 5mo ago
  Banning buybacks and taxing dividends like earned income (or at least with higher tax brackets for higher dividend income, just like earned income) is basically the same thing as taxing tokens. I'd go even further and reduce income taxes by the same amount that is raised by taxing dividends.
• catigula 5mo ago
  It should be illegal to lay workers off for AI like it is in China, where sensible policy exists.
  • philipwhiuk 5mo ago
    You just lay them off for another reason I mean if AI is really powerful the reason is "profitability as our competitor steals our contracts at a fraction of the price". Your competitor just doesn't hire in the first place of course.
    • catigula 5mo ago
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      • philipwhiuk 5mo ago
        Well done, you've saved human jobs at a cost of lowering the salary to fractions. (Until the bots are still more efficient)
  • bluGill 5mo ago
    I have long said that AI is an excuse, but in reality people are not laid off for AI. People are laid off for the economy or "restructuring", and they use the fad of the day - which is AI these days - as a reason. If it was AI they would take those extra people to get more done. I know of no company that doesn't have more work than they have people. (but they lack the funds/ROI to pay more people)
    • cute_boi 5mo ago
      how is AI an excuse when it can replace team of 10 people to 3? It is very efficient in doing menial jobs for sure.
      • bluGill 5mo ago
        So put those 7 "extra" people to work on something else.
        • antonvs 5mo ago
          A big question is whose responsibility that is. The way it works in capitalist societies is that their employer fires them when it no longer needs them, and it's up to the individuals to find something else to work on. The doctrine claims that "the market" will find something for them. Which is true in a sense, although the specifics can be extremely dystopian. If you want to put that responsibility for finding work on someone else, you have quite a lot of political work to do to convince people that it should be the way you propose.
• antonvs 5mo ago
  > The fight against AI should just be about taxing token usage. What about self-hosted models?
  • moffers 5mo ago
    You would purchase an AI tax stamp! Just make sure you’re being honest about your token usage. Or maybe we can have AI licenses! Sky’s the limit when you can just make up policy on the internet for free.
    • antonvs 5mo ago
      Finally, a viable future career path for the poor TV license inspectors!
• venzaspa 5mo ago
  As far as I can work out, tokens aren't fungible which makes them a pretty poor thing to tax instead of just taxing the profits of the companies behind the models.
  • BobaFloutist 5mo ago
    > tokens aren't fungible Not again...
• evrydayhustling 5mo ago
  > data centers can be built basically anywhere this is especially true for AI use cases, where compute is hugely more important than latency / bandwidth > you have to provide a bonus pool that goes dollar-for-dollar for any buybacks or dividends you do. So, reallocate some exec comp to a pool that gets bigger when you give shareholders back money? Would be great to balance the market better between labor and capital, but there's no easy button...
• ericmay 5mo ago
  > data centers can be built basically anywhere, and that's why a lot of them are moving to rural red states where they welcome the construction. There’s no such thing as a red state or blue state, these are fictions created to generate political fighting for no value to society. Second - many states such as Ohio have begun pushing back strongly against data centers. In Ohio we had been offering tax breaks for construction because we welcomed the economic activity, but thankfully the government here after seeing a lot of pushback across the state has realized providing tax incentives or subsidies is economically and politically stupid relative the benefits of the new data centers. To your point, they can be built anywhere. So many folks are saying yep, let’s build them somewhere else and drain water and raise energy prices there instead of here. Smart politics in a state like Ohio would require data centers to relocate corporate jobs to the state or face full or perhaps even surcharges for utility rates because why not?
• silverquiet 5mo ago
  > rural red states where they welcome the construction The state legislatures might be all for it, but I can say as someone who lives in South Texas, the actual communities are up in arms against datacenters. Of course there's lots of irony in that one of the reasons the datacenters like the area is that there is a gas pipeline that the locals welcomed that can be used to run turbines.
  • HDThoreaun 5mo ago
    Yea well thats the thing about red states. Local opposition doesnt mean shit in the face of business interests.