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> Moving forward with a single code path going through Wayland is going to allow us to bring new performance improvements, memory optimisations [sic], and brand

by MBCook 5mo ago

> Moving forward with a single code path going through Wayland is going to allow us to bring new performance improvements, memory optimisations [sic], and brand new exciting features throughout Plasma. I wish they would have listed what some of those features might be.

fishgoesblub 5mo ago
They're still trying to figure that one out themselves.
- MBCook 5mo ago
  I’m not surprised they’re not nailed down. But I’d appreciate seeing a “we’re looking at X or Y or if Z is now possible” kind of thing. The maintenance and performance stuff is good, but it’s not exactly end user stuff. Yeah you benefit but it’s less obvious. I don’t follow this stuff closely so personally I have no idea what kind of Wayland only features could exist that couldn’t before.
- bigyabai 5mo ago
  One nice feature is trackpad gestures. x11's trackpad gestures are awful, but on Wayland you can have the 1:1 multitouch that everyone loves.
Tade0 5mo ago
HDR support would be one I suppose. IIRC it's plain impossible with X11.
- krs_ 5mo ago
  That already works with Plasma Wayland. It's still a bit finicky to make it work with things running in XWayland (Windows games primarily) but it's getting better.
- ChocolateGod 5mo ago
  I wouldn't say its "plain impossible" with X11, but its significantly easier on Wayland because its a far simpler design that aligns better with the graphics hardware, we're sending surfaces (or pointers to them) with metadata to the compositor, not drawing APIs.
- chadgpt3 5mo ago
  Which is odd, because X11 has all this visual and depth stuff leftover from the days of 1/4/8/16-bit displays, and mixing windows of each type on the same screen. You would expect it to be capable of representing 48 bits just as well.
jebenesty 5mo ago
Did you really just [sic] a British guy using British spelling?
- MBCook 5mo ago
  Is that a British spelling? Oops. Honestly my computer gave it a red underline so I decided to do that. I didn’t think about it harder than that. If I recognized it like “colour” I wouldn’t have.
  - spider-mario 5mo ago
    It would be a good habit to check (for example on the Wiktionary – I have a Chrome search keyword dedicated to that) because those are not the only differences. fulfill vs. fulfil judgment vs. judgement disk vs. disc (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disk#Usage_notes https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disk#Usage_notes) hiccup vs. hiccough diarrhea vs. diarrhoea
    - M2Ys4U 5mo ago
      >judgment vs. judgement In British English "judgment" without the 'e' is generally only used for talking about judicial rulings, whereas most other uses of the word contain the 'e'.
  - ndsipa_pomu 5mo ago
    It's fairly common for us to use "-ise" instead of "-ize", but having now looked at Wikipedia on the subject, it appears that I incorrectly thought of "-ize" as an Americanism. The "-ize" suffix predates "-ise" - it comes from ancient Greek/Latin whereas "-ise" comes from French.
  - leephillips 5mo ago
    And the “[sic]” is followed by an incorrect attempt to form a conditional. Both problems arise from the same cause.
  - JCattheATM 4mo ago

by MBCook 5mo ago

fishgoesblub 5mo ago

They're still trying to figure that one out themselves.

MBCook 5mo ago
I’m not surprised they’re not nailed down. But I’d appreciate seeing a “we’re looking at X or Y or if Z is now possible” kind of thing. The maintenance and performance stuff is good, but it’s not exactly end user stuff. Yeah you benefit but it’s less obvious. I don’t follow this stuff closely so personally I have no idea what kind of Wayland only features could exist that couldn’t before.
bigyabai 5mo ago
One nice feature is trackpad gestures. x11's trackpad gestures are awful, but on Wayland you can have the 1:1 multitouch that everyone loves.

Tade0 5mo ago

HDR support would be one I suppose. IIRC it's plain impossible with X11.

krs_ 5mo ago
That already works with Plasma Wayland. It's still a bit finicky to make it work with things running in XWayland (Windows games primarily) but it's getting better.
ChocolateGod 5mo ago
I wouldn't say its "plain impossible" with X11, but its significantly easier on Wayland because its a far simpler design that aligns better with the graphics hardware, we're sending surfaces (or pointers to them) with metadata to the compositor, not drawing APIs.
chadgpt3 5mo ago
Which is odd, because X11 has all this visual and depth stuff leftover from the days of 1/4/8/16-bit displays, and mixing windows of each type on the same screen. You would expect it to be capable of representing 48 bits just as well.

jebenesty 5mo ago

Did you really just [sic] a British guy using British spelling?

MBCook 5mo ago
Is that a British spelling? Oops. Honestly my computer gave it a red underline so I decided to do that. I didn’t think about it harder than that. If I recognized it like “colour” I wouldn’t have.
- spider-mario 5mo ago
  It would be a good habit to check (for example on the Wiktionary – I have a Chrome search keyword dedicated to that) because those are not the only differences. fulfill vs. fulfil judgment vs. judgement disk vs. disc (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disk#Usage_notes https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disk#Usage_notes) hiccup vs. hiccough diarrhea vs. diarrhoea
  - M2Ys4U 5mo ago
    >judgment vs. judgement In British English "judgment" without the 'e' is generally only used for talking about judicial rulings, whereas most other uses of the word contain the 'e'.
- ndsipa_pomu 5mo ago
  It's fairly common for us to use "-ise" instead of "-ize", but having now looked at Wikipedia on the subject, it appears that I incorrectly thought of "-ize" as an Americanism. The "-ize" suffix predates "-ise" - it comes from ancient Greek/Latin whereas "-ise" comes from French.
- leephillips 5mo ago
  And the “[sic]” is followed by an incorrect attempt to form a conditional. Both problems arise from the same cause.
- JCattheATM 4mo ago