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If they put Linux on it I'd buy it, but with Windows 11, no thanks.

by didibus 4mo ago

cowmix 4mo ago
I bought the Snapdragon Elite X over a year ago based on the promises of Qualcomm to bring solid Linux drivers at some point. Fast forward to today, Linux for that SoC is still a hot mess.
- IshKebab 4mo ago
  Yeah never buy based on future promises.
mft_ 4mo ago
Maybe I'm being overly hopeful, but given the DGX Spark only runs Linux, and this is apparently a sibling in a laptop form factor, maybe it won't be too difficult to get Linux up and running effectively? Probably (a lot) more easily than Asahi on Apple Silicon, anyway.
- gaboot 4mo ago
  I'm sure someone can get the CPU/GPU running but things like wifi/bluetooth/USB ports will be rough since they will presumably integrated with the chip in a non-standardized ARM way. Almost all of the ARM laptops are basically unusable with GNU/Linux.
  - fragmede 4mo ago
    Which ones have you tried? Right now I'm on an MediaTek Kompanio Ultra 910.and wifi/USB/sleep/hibernate works. DT is going to be the death of ARM, but the real challenge has been to get the GPU to work under Firefox.
2OEH8eoCRo0 4mo ago
One of the hassles with ARM machines is that you might technically be able to boot Linux on it but your Thunderbolt, display out, wireless, etc. will lack support and not work.
ActorNightly 4mo ago
They did put linux on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux
- drnick1 4mo ago
  That's not Linux, that's a VM running Linux on Windows. Not very satisfying if you want the real thing, or want a real Linux DE.
  - ActorNightly 4mo ago
    >that's a VM running Linux on Windows While thats true, its not what you think it is. WSL1 was VM in a traditional sense, it ran under windows. When you install WSL2, it basically changes your computer core OS to be a bare metal hypervisor (specialized version of Hyper V). Its the same concept as any cloud provider letting people provision VMs that run at native performance on the actual hardware. So WLS2 can talk to hardware like Graphics cards natively, and request ram on demand. You can also install windows managers in WSL2. For example https://github.com/Lamarcke/i3-on-wsl https://github.com/Lamarcke/i3-on-wsl. You can also install rainmeter on windows https://www.rainmeter.net/ https://www.rainmeter.net/ if you want customizability. You can make windows look exactly like mac os with that.
    - oaiey 4mo ago
      WSL 1 was not a VM in a traditional sense. WSL 1 was a Windows subsystem which translated Linux syscalls into NT syscalls (e.g. file open). NT has capabilities there from its origins in the 90s supporting in theory user spaces for posix/os2/...
      - ActorNightly 4mo ago
        Syscall translation is pretty much what userland vm software does.
- rustcleaner 4mo ago

If they put Linux on it I'd buy it, but with Windows 11, no thanks.

by didibus 4mo ago

If they put Linux on it I'd buy it, but with Windows 11, no thanks.

I bought the Snapdragon Elite X over a year ago based on the promises of Qualcomm to bring solid Linux drivers at some point. Fast forward to today, Linux for that SoC is still a hot mess.

IshKebab 4mo ago
Yeah never buy based on future promises.

mft_ 4mo ago

Maybe I'm being overly hopeful, but given the DGX Spark only runs Linux, and this is apparently a sibling in a laptop form factor, maybe it won't be too difficult to get Linux up and running effectively? Probably (a lot) more easily than Asahi on Apple Silicon, anyway.

gaboot 4mo ago
I'm sure someone can get the CPU/GPU running but things like wifi/bluetooth/USB ports will be rough since they will presumably integrated with the chip in a non-standardized ARM way. Almost all of the ARM laptops are basically unusable with GNU/Linux.
- fragmede 4mo ago
  Which ones have you tried? Right now I'm on an MediaTek Kompanio Ultra 910.and wifi/USB/sleep/hibernate works. DT is going to be the death of ARM, but the real challenge has been to get the GPU to work under Firefox.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4mo ago

One of the hassles with ARM machines is that you might technically be able to boot Linux on it but your Thunderbolt, display out, wireless, etc. will lack support and not work.

ActorNightly 4mo ago

They did put linux on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux

drnick1 4mo ago
That's not Linux, that's a VM running Linux on Windows. Not very satisfying if you want the real thing, or want a real Linux DE.
- ActorNightly 4mo ago
  >that's a VM running Linux on Windows While thats true, its not what you think it is. WSL1 was VM in a traditional sense, it ran under windows. When you install WSL2, it basically changes your computer core OS to be a bare metal hypervisor (specialized version of Hyper V). Its the same concept as any cloud provider letting people provision VMs that run at native performance on the actual hardware. So WLS2 can talk to hardware like Graphics cards natively, and request ram on demand. You can also install windows managers in WSL2. For example https://github.com/Lamarcke/i3-on-wsl https://github.com/Lamarcke/i3-on-wsl. You can also install rainmeter on windows https://www.rainmeter.net/ https://www.rainmeter.net/ if you want customizability. You can make windows look exactly like mac os with that.
  - oaiey 4mo ago
    WSL 1 was not a VM in a traditional sense. WSL 1 was a Windows subsystem which translated Linux syscalls into NT syscalls (e.g. file open). NT has capabilities there from its origins in the 90s supporting in theory user spaces for posix/os2/...
    - ActorNightly 4mo ago
      Syscall translation is pretty much what userland vm software does.
rustcleaner 4mo ago