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You just aren’t educated about angling or fish. Also are you aware of the California native tribes who exempt themselves from fishing regulations?
by groundzeros2015 5mo ago
You just aren’t educated about angling or fish.
Also are you aware of the California native tribes who exempt themselves from fishing regulations?
- boston_clone 5mo agoCould you educate us as to where the barbed hook goes?
- r053bud 5mo agoBarbed hooks are not allowed most of the time anymore.
- boston_clone 5mo agoAnd which would you prefer through your lip? Barbed, barbless, or nothing the fuck at all because people let you live your life undisturbed?
- groundzeros2015 5mo agoFish are not people and you’re projecting on to them. Do we need to start with whether you eat meat or own pets?
- boston_clone 5mo agoAnimals other than humans feel pain and do tend to avoid it. And nope, no eating meat for me (and like half a billion other people). It’s both easier and more empowering than one might think!
- groundzeros2015 5mo agoGreat, then this really isn’t a debate about fishing. We completely disagree about the roles of animals in our life.
- boston_clone 5mo agoI’m sure we both have cared for and loved animals at some point! There’s nothing wrong with recognizing that a fish can feel pain much like a cat or a dog or a rabbit or a horse.
- groundzeros2015 5mo agoSure. And I think your lifestyle is a valid and respectable choice. Angling is just far downstream of topics to look at!
- ryoshoe 5mo agoCan an insect feel pain? What about a mushroom, or a plant? What things are conscious enough to feel pain? I'm genuinely asking because I because it seems arbitrary as to where the line gets drawn. Before the 1980s it was the medical consensus that babies weren't capable of feeling pain even though this is now widely recognized as untrue.
- boston_clone 5mo agoI don't think the line is quite so arbitrary! Virtually all animals (with a few exceptions!) have a central nervous system, which is required to "feel" pain, to my understanding. The good news is that we can adapt our thinking and behavior in light of new evidence.
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- rayiner 5mo agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/HardcoreNature/comments/13jabzl/not_oc_bear_skins_a_salmon_alive_and_it_is/ https://www.reddit.com/r/HardcoreNature/comments/13jabzl/not...
- boston_clone 5mo agoBears are people when you’re on grindr, but that bear there isn’t a person, friend.
- rayiner 5mo agoWhat difference does that make to the salmon?
- boston_clone 5mo agoobtuse and so dense; fish swim happily upstream, while rocks sink down fast.
- constantius 5mo ago[dead]
- groundzeros2015 5mo agoIn the fishes mouth. That’s how you catch them. Is your claim that anglers decimate fishing population?
- boston_clone 5mo agonope, i don’t think that claim holds water. my claim would be something like how the recommendation of fishing in response to news of conservation efforts is as absurd as recommending spankings in response to news of more babies being born: stupid, harmful, and self-serving.
- constantius 5mo agoI was surprised by the level of replies here and didn't have the energy to answer: thanks for the support, comforting to see after a long day.