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In a discussion about increasing fish population "after decades of effort", it's surreal to see a suggestion to kill them, or at the very least rip a hole in th
by constantius 4mo ago
In a discussion about increasing fish population "after decades of effort", it's surreal to see a suggestion to kill them, or at the very least rip a hole in their mouths.
I'm always surprised at how people can be so unaware, suggesting killing as a meditative and beautiful activity...
- bluGill 4mo agoThere are a lot of different fish, and most are not threatened in anyway. Often the larger threat is over population and they need predators - like humans - to prevent that.
- kristjansson 4mo agoI mean catch and release is better than being dinner, and the prevalence of fly fishing as a hobby goes a long way toward garnering public and financial support for restoration activities.
- tokai 4mo ago[flagged]
- groundzeros2015 4mo agoYou just aren’t educated about angling or fish. Also are you aware of the California native tribes who exempt themselves from fishing regulations?
- boston_clone 4mo agoCould you educate us as to where the barbed hook goes?
- r053bud 4mo agoBarbed hooks are not allowed most of the time anymore.
- boston_clone 4mo agoAnd which would you prefer through your lip? Barbed, barbless, or nothing the fuck at all because people let you live your life undisturbed?
- groundzeros2015 4mo agoFish are not people and you’re projecting on to them. Do we need to start with whether you eat meat or own pets?
- boston_clone 4mo agoAnimals other than humans feel pain and do tend to avoid it. And nope, no eating meat for me (and like half a billion other people). It’s both easier and more empowering than one might think!
- groundzeros2015 4mo agoGreat, then this really isn’t a debate about fishing. We completely disagree about the roles of animals in our life.
- boston_clone 4mo agoI’m sure we both have cared for and loved animals at some point! There’s nothing wrong with recognizing that a fish can feel pain much like a cat or a dog or a rabbit or a horse.
- groundzeros2015 4mo agoSure. And I think your lifestyle is a valid and respectable choice. Angling is just far downstream of topics to look at!
- ryoshoe 4mo agoCan an insect feel pain? What about a mushroom, or a plant? What things are conscious enough to feel pain? I'm genuinely asking because I because it seems arbitrary as to where the line gets drawn. Before the 1980s it was the medical consensus that babies weren't capable of feeling pain even though this is now widely recognized as untrue.
- groundzeros2015 4mo agoIn the fishes mouth. That’s how you catch them. Is your claim that anglers decimate fishing population?
- boston_clone 4mo agonope, i don’t think that claim holds water. my claim would be something like how the recommendation of fishing in response to news of conservation efforts is as absurd as recommending spankings in response to news of more babies being born: stupid, harmful, and self-serving.
- constantius 4mo agoI was surprised by the level of replies here and didn't have the energy to answer: thanks for the support, comforting to see after a long day.
- gausswho 4mo agoI'll contrast with sibling comments. You're correct to raise caution towards fishing Pacific salmon, even in catch and release. Release mortality from one study I've found is about 25-40% https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165783625002176 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016578362... It's worse during high water temperatures. They're likely quite fatigued by the time they arrive. That said, this caution is not always warranted generally. Location, species, and season significantly matter. In healthy ecosystems, there's no harm to the group even if the individual fish might not agree.
- anamax 4mo agoFishers will spend a lot more money to keep a fishery alive than non-fishers will.