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> Not every TV is used by two people in a room devoid of lighting. Friends will come over, other things will be watched. Some people are very bothered when the

by klausa 5mo ago

> Not every TV is used by two people in a room devoid of lighting. Friends will come over, other things will be watched. Some people are very bothered when the ceiling lighting or sunlight from the window "alters" the image. > Enthusiasts are an interesting bunch. Some features loved by others are grave flaws for others. One can't make everyone happy, so matte screens are an acceptable compromise for it, AFAIK. You know what, fair enough. I don't mind these; but I do _hate_ the blurriness that the matte coatings introduce. Now, I wouldn't call my wife a TV tech enthusiast, but I do know that she's bothered by the reflections occasionally when I don't mind, and I know with her eyesight she straight up physically cannot notice the extra blurriness that the coatings bring.

drcongo 5mo ago
Once the screen is 10ft away I doubt any human alive could perceive a sharpness difference from a nano texture.
- klausa 5mo ago
  I’d now be actually curious to do a Pepsi-style challenge to test this on myself. I give myself a ~low 40% chance of being able to tell within a minute when watching a TV show/movie _without subtitles_, maybe 60%ish with subtitles, and maybe low 80% if I was playing a game with any amount of text rendered on the screen.
  - jorvi 5mo ago
    You don't really need to do a challenge: https://i.rtings.com/images/optimal-viewing-distance-television-graph-size.png https://i.rtings.com/images/optimal-viewing-distance-televis... If you own a 50" 2160p ("4K") TV and are sitting more than 1.8m / 6ft away, you're already at the edge of being able to perceive any resolution increase over 1080p. For a 65" TV, its about 2.5m / 8ft. So no, at typical viewing distance you are very unlikely to notice a sharpness decrease. Tangentially related, but this is also why the 4K chase on this console generation is so stupid. The vast, vast majority of people will be viewing their TV way beyond the recommended viewing distance, and thus will only be resolving to 1080p with their eyes. We should be chasing better-looking effects and 120 FPS.
    - klausa 5mo ago
      I’m at 65” and less than 2m away, and I absolutely can tell when text is not rendered at native resolution, which is why I’m also confident I’d be able to notice the matte coating too. (I am also probably like three standard deviations _more annoyed_ by the blurriness than an average person, I’m more than willing to believe that an average person wouldn’t be able to tell, or at least wouldn’t be bothered by it anywhere close to the degree that I am.)
      - jorvi 5mo ago
        Well yeah, at that distance you are supposed to notice the difference in resolution, and presumably the difference between matte and glossy. Most living room situations aren't like that though. Btw, that page in general is great if you want to optimize your viewing experience: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-relationship https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-r... :) I'm also someone who cares enough about fidelity to do 10-point tuning on my displays and speakers, so I get your frustration!
      - drcongo 5mo ago
        Good lord, <2m from a 65" screen? You'll get square eyes!
      - Melatonic 5mo ago
        Are you sure you're just not comparing crappy screens (what you experience as "matte") with better ones ?
        klausa 5mo ago
        Yes, unless you wanna go down the line of "well actually Apple screens are not that good". This is a semi-sponsored video from a scammy company that makes glossy displays, so you might want to take it with a grain of salt, but it talks about a real effect with (most, again, Apple's etching is _much_ better, but still _noticeable to me_) matte coatings: https://youtu.be/3mTV1TOblbA?t=124 https://youtu.be/3mTV1TOblbA?t=124 There are people taking super-zoomed-in photos of their monitors all over reddit too, so you can judge how much haze/blurriness they add to the image: https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidemasterrace/comments/18sb63b/difference_in_subpixel_clarity_by_screen_coating/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidemasterrace/comments/18sb63... https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1jf2u54/the_difference_between_the_quality_of_matte_and/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1jf2u54/the_di...
bcraven 5mo ago
And then my wife can't tell the difference between 576p and 2160p, so I guess everyone is different.
buran77 5mo ago
> I do _hate_ the blurriness that the matte coatings introduce Doesn't apply in this case, does it? Can you really see it watching media on a large TV at the usual viewing distances?
- izacus 5mo ago
  I haven't noticed blurriness really. I have noticed that the darkest "black level" is less black (despite it being OLED screen) than on glossy screens in light conditions. That difference disappears in darker environment.

by klausa 5mo ago

drcongo 5mo ago

Once the screen is 10ft away I doubt any human alive could perceive a sharpness difference from a nano texture.

klausa 5mo ago
I’d now be actually curious to do a Pepsi-style challenge to test this on myself. I give myself a ~low 40% chance of being able to tell within a minute when watching a TV show/movie _without subtitles_, maybe 60%ish with subtitles, and maybe low 80% if I was playing a game with any amount of text rendered on the screen.
- jorvi 5mo ago
  You don't really need to do a challenge: https://i.rtings.com/images/optimal-viewing-distance-television-graph-size.png https://i.rtings.com/images/optimal-viewing-distance-televis... If you own a 50" 2160p ("4K") TV and are sitting more than 1.8m / 6ft away, you're already at the edge of being able to perceive any resolution increase over 1080p. For a 65" TV, its about 2.5m / 8ft. So no, at typical viewing distance you are very unlikely to notice a sharpness decrease. Tangentially related, but this is also why the 4K chase on this console generation is so stupid. The vast, vast majority of people will be viewing their TV way beyond the recommended viewing distance, and thus will only be resolving to 1080p with their eyes. We should be chasing better-looking effects and 120 FPS.
  - klausa 5mo ago
    I’m at 65” and less than 2m away, and I absolutely can tell when text is not rendered at native resolution, which is why I’m also confident I’d be able to notice the matte coating too. (I am also probably like three standard deviations _more annoyed_ by the blurriness than an average person, I’m more than willing to believe that an average person wouldn’t be able to tell, or at least wouldn’t be bothered by it anywhere close to the degree that I am.)
    - jorvi 5mo ago
      Well yeah, at that distance you are supposed to notice the difference in resolution, and presumably the difference between matte and glossy. Most living room situations aren't like that though. Btw, that page in general is great if you want to optimize your viewing experience: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-relationship https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-r... :) I'm also someone who cares enough about fidelity to do 10-point tuning on my displays and speakers, so I get your frustration!
    - drcongo 5mo ago
      Good lord, <2m from a 65" screen? You'll get square eyes!
    - Melatonic 5mo ago
      Are you sure you're just not comparing crappy screens (what you experience as "matte") with better ones ?
      - klausa 5mo ago
        Yes, unless you wanna go down the line of "well actually Apple screens are not that good". This is a semi-sponsored video from a scammy company that makes glossy displays, so you might want to take it with a grain of salt, but it talks about a real effect with (most, again, Apple's etching is _much_ better, but still _noticeable to me_) matte coatings: https://youtu.be/3mTV1TOblbA?t=124 https://youtu.be/3mTV1TOblbA?t=124 There are people taking super-zoomed-in photos of their monitors all over reddit too, so you can judge how much haze/blurriness they add to the image: https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidemasterrace/comments/18sb63b/difference_in_subpixel_clarity_by_screen_coating/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidemasterrace/comments/18sb63... https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1jf2u54/the_difference_between_the_quality_of_matte_and/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1jf2u54/the_di...

bcraven 5mo ago

And then my wife can't tell the difference between 576p and 2160p, so I guess everyone is different.

buran77 5mo ago

> I do _hate_ the blurriness that the matte coatings introduce Doesn't apply in this case, does it? Can you really see it watching media on a large TV at the usual viewing distances?

izacus 5mo ago
I haven't noticed blurriness really. I have noticed that the darkest "black level" is less black (despite it being OLED screen) than on glossy screens in light conditions. That difference disappears in darker environment.